We must be careful when we use the term "enamel".  As I mentioned before, it
can refer to regular artist paints, oven baked paint or kiln-fired
porcelain.  Porcelain is a vitreous enamel which means that it is composed
of glass frit (fine dust sized particles of glass).  It requires HIGH firing
temperatures of about 1500 degrees F. and kiln-type ovens. But the enamel
and powder coatings used on car parts or lawn furniture is more like
traditional paint and is baked at much lower temperatures- about 350 degrees
F. if I remember correctly.

Porcelain high temp kiln ovens are usually smaller than low temp paint
enamel ovens which can be walk-in size. Perhaps the large blue dials on St
Margaret of Antioch's Church are made from low temp paint enamels and not
porcelain. This would explain the problem of oven size.  Or, they could have
been made of porcelain in smaller sections as John Davis suggested.  I'd
love to find out if they are of real porcelain or just paint enamel. 

Besides having greater durability (Porcelain might last 500 years? Most
powder coats are only guaranteed for 10-20 years), there is another huge
advantage in using porcelain instead of baked painted enamels or powder
coats. FULL COLOR! Porcelain designs can be of any number of colors and can
even have color gradations because it can be silk-screened using the 3-color
photographic technique. (Yellow, cyan & magenta and black) Just like a color
photograph. Porcelain can be applied by a machine and multiple copies can be
made. You can not do this easily with powder coat or paint enamels, I was
told.  To get multiple colors and colors gradations with low temp paint
enamels they must be hand-painted. Stencils are difficult to work with and
don't give you color gradations. And it is almost impossible to use more
than two colors using powder coat because of the difficulty in masking.  So,
if you want multiple and blended colors of photo quality designs, then you
should use porcelain. (Silk-screened or hand painted with multiple firings)

Now here's a thought- All over England I saw the clock faces on all the
churches have only TWO colors (either black and gold or blue and gold). This
leads me to believe that these clock faces might be made of low temp baked
paint enamels and not porcelain.  Does anybody know exactly what the English
clock faces are made of?  Whatever it is it seems to work since most of the
clocks look pretty good.  The company that makes the clock faces might be
able to make two-color sundial faces if provided with the design. 

If you're interested in the details, this is how they made my porcelain dial
faces: It was easy for me to be a porcelain customer. I just emailed the
manufacturer a hi res PDF of a colored design that I made with Delta Cad and
Photoshop Elements, and his machines applied and duplicated all the colors
exactly. I also sent him a separate PDF CAD drawing showing the location of
the gnomon attachment holes and disk size.  They cut out the metal disk so
that it was the right size and shape, and they cut out the gnomon attachment
holes with computer guided laser using my pattern. Then they baked on a
background color (white) on both the front and back sides of the disk. This
encases and protects both sides of the metal from rust and the elements and
prevents warping of the disk that would result if only one side of the disk
were covered. Then they silk-screen on the three primary colors and black.

I swear that the porcelain looked as good the paper printout from my
computer!

John Carmichael
 



   
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Patrick Powers
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:03 AM
To: 'Sundial List'
Subject: Re: Porcelain Sundials

Message text written by Frank King
>John Carmichael explained that the biggest oven that his suppliers use
will accommodate a maximum size dial of 46" square.

The Margaret of Antioch dials are over twice that size.  I wonder whether
Brookbrae could still do
a job that big.  If so, they may have a customer!<

I don't know.  There have been changes at Brookbrae over the years. 
Earlier in this thread John Davis referred to an enameller that he used and
I seem to remember that it used them at least partially because they were
one of only a few who could accommodate the size of dial that he then had
in mind.  I am sure that he will read this and will explain the issues.

I am actually unsure of the needs of the technology here because the
problem is supposed to be the paucity of ovens of a size that can take the
metal bases.  However in a very extended restoration of a vintage car (it's
42 years since I last drove it!! ), some years ago I needed to get some
replacement mudguards repainted.  I then discovered that the originals had
been stove enameled and in trying to be authentic I have found no
difficulty in getting that done first with a matt-grey priming enameled
layer and later with a gloss one.  Are the ovens used for stove enameling
car parts (the ovens I used for my mudguards were of a walk-in size) the
same sort as those used for artistic and enameled signs etc? 

I have heard that stove enameling needs a higher temperature than powder
coating  It would be nice to know if a combination of the two technologies
can be used to solve the problem you have.

Patrick

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