Steve:
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You said:
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[quote]
I'm not surprised that he reacted in his quirky way to an unjustified
comment.
[/quote]
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Oh really? Frank was using that same argumentative Internet attack-style,
completely uncalled-for, in his initial post to me, before I’d said
anything to him:
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I quote:
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[quote]
Without changing
ANY detail of the specification of the
Gregorian Calendar (which you clearly
want to keep) you follow the precedent
set by your hero Pope Gregory III
[/quote]
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So, he was using the argumentative attack-exaggeration that I referred to,
before I’d written anything to him. It was “out of the blue”, unprovoked, &
uncalled-for. Right out of the starting-gate.
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…& of course then he repeated the same wording, “your hero Pope Gregory
III”. Evidently he was afraid that he wasn’t heard the first time. I
didn’t say anything the first time, but, with the 2nd time I mentioned it. Do
you think maybe if he doesn’t want to have it mentioned, then maybe he
doesn’t have to do it with repetition?
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And yes, I *have* encountered that before. There was something all too
familiar about it.
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So his unprovoked attack-language is okay, but my mentioning it is not?
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You said:
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[quote]
On 2022-09-21 3:22 a.m., Michael Ossipoff wrote:
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[quote]
Yes some of you over there like to rely on exaggeration as an attack-tactic
[/quote]
I hope it's unintentional on your part, but the words "some of you over
there" hint at a prejudice that disrespects not only Frank King but also
others from his part of the world.
[/quote]
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I neither said nor implied nothing about everyone in any region or place.
Neither did I say or imply anything about anyone other than some
individuals by whom I was attacked in the manner which I referred to.
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I said “some”. I didn’t generalize to any whole population anywhere.
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…& I didn’t “disrespect” Frank. I merely called him on his inappropriate
argumentative conduct.
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There was no”prejudice”. Prejudice means prejudgement. Whom, pray tell,
did I prejudge?
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I referred to a particular thing that Frank had said. …& to prior
experience with the same behavior.
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Prejudgment means judging people you haven’t met, or people about whom you
have no basis for what you’re saying, You’re straining the meaning of
“prejudice”, bigtime.
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No, I only made reference to past experience, but I didn’t express any
judgment regarding anyone I haven’t been abused by. I was referring to the
abusers that I’ve experienced, but I made no blanket judgments about anyone
other than the attackers that I’ve encountered.
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…& I didn’t imply that they comprise a significant or large proportion of
any population.
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…so where was the prejudgment by me?
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About Gregorius vs Gregory:
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I didn’t use the words “incorrect”, or “unacceptable”, or imply that
Frank’s usage was unusual or uncommon. I merely made the uncontroversial
obvious statement that Pope Gregorius didn’t call himself Gregory. The
discussion was about his official actions, not about his chums called him
in casual conversation.
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So it’s common to call people by names other than their own (& by other
languages’ equivalent names)? Fine. Whether it’s common or otherwise, I
merely stated an instance of that. I said nothing about “incorrect” or
“unacceptable”, & I made no statement regarding how many or how few people
do that.
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When Gregorius issued the order, he was acting in his official capacity as
pope. He was acting as Pope Gregorius, not as Gregory or Greg.
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As you yourself brought up: When Gregorius signed the document specifying
the changes in the Julian Calendar, in 1582, with what name was his edict
or order signed?
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Whatever names he’s called by in various other milieux, settings or
situations, especially outside his official capacity, or in other
countries, he signed that thing as Gregorius.
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Those are reasons why I made my comment. But I said only what I said, & I
didn’t say “incorrect”, “unacceptable”, or anything about how many people
use other names. I didn’t say what you attributed to me.
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In summary, maybe it’s sometimes best to fact-check what one is saying
about another person before posting it.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 3:52 PM Steve Lelievre <
steve.lelievre.can...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2022-09-21 3:22 a.m., Michael Ossipoff wrote:
>
> Yes some of you over there like to rely on exaggeration as an attack-tactic
>
> I hope it's unintentional on your part, but the words "some of you over
> there" hint at a prejudice that disrespects not only Frank King but also
> others from his part of the world.
>
> Though we could call every country & city by its earliest known ancient
> name, it’s a bit different with a person’s name.
>
> It is seems pretty evident to me that historical figures of note were
> routinely referred to using the name form applicable to the language being
> spoken. Indeed, the convention persists today - think of the current pope.
> He signs himself as Franciscus on papal papers, but he is routinely called
> Francesco in Italian, Francisco in Spanish, François in French, Francis
> in English, and so on.
>
> As well, the idea that the Vatican would allow an unacceptable or
> incorrect name form to be used on a tomb inside St. Peter’s Basilica, is
> ridiculous. Yet, as Frank mentioned, the tomb uses the name Gregorio. For
> confirmation, here is a clip from a photo.
>
> So, Frank's use of 'Gregory' is the normal practice. I'm not surprised
> that he reacted in his quirky way to an unjustified comment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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