We're about to start our experiment [using x86 Solaris + VirtualBox and a W2K8/R2 virtual machine to see if it speeds up rendering of Right Hemisphere drawings] and have a question: in the Virtual Box settings for the machine, in the Display/Video tab there is a checkbox called "Extended Features: Enable 3D Acceleration" which is grayed out. Anyone know how to "ungray" it so it can be checked?
Thanks. Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem Think of vRDP like capturing the output of a video card of the console. It's not built for multiple people on the same machine (though it does a method that you can have multiple "video cards", but that's just mirroring what's coming from the single console. While we do have MS-RDP7 enhancements, due to the native of using the native Microsoft experience features (unlike 2003 were we wrote solutions that were limited to flash through IE and certain types of content through WMP) the Sun Ray Server has to be more powerful. Which is why I recommend trying your current setup but using a fast x86 server at the Sun Ray server instead of the CMT servers, that can be very fasts if applications are written to take advantage of the archtictures (i.e. multithreaded aps operating in parallel) However vRDP has other features that either MS-RDP doesn't have or actually blocks from working. For instance, DRM protected content won't play over MS-RDP, but with vRDP, the software doesn't have any idea that you are coming in remotely so things like the netflix player would even work. On 2/8/11 12:20 PM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: > Craig, > > Does the fact that vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level make it less > useful or even non-functional in a WTS scenario? Or does it perhaps mean > that there will be resource constraints since it's not multi-user? > > It was my understanding that of the 2 performance tweaks [going to x86 and > VirtualBox], vRDP was supposed to provide the lion's share of the performance > boost. Has that been your experience? > > For scenario 1, did SRS 5.1.2 markedly improve SRWC, which is where I would > imagine the action to be happening? > > We are currently pursuing scenario #2 but I suppose, along the way, we can > also do #1. > > Thanks as always for your detailed information. > > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:44 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem > > vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level, it's not multi user like WTS/RDS > > The two things that I've suggested trying for your app are: > > 1) Use a modern x86 server (rather than CMT) and see how your app works > with SRS 5.1.2 and our MS-RDP7 enhancements. Currently the CMT server > in your mix is affecting how well our new RDP7 feature works since we > have to convert the Microsoft enhanced bitmap stream to M-JPEG at the > Sun Ray Sever layer. > > 2) Build a VirutalBox VM of Win7 (or 2008R2 if that's easier) and see > how your app works over vRDP. Little if any processing takes place on > the Sun Ray server. > > On 2/8/11 11:33 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >> Craig, >> >> Does your statement imply that, since there is only one console display, >> that only 1 user would be able to use that W2K8/R2 WTS? Or can I somehow >> still manage to put many users on the WTS and they can all take advantage of >> the accelerated video? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:27 AM >> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >> >> The catch is that for 2008R2 is access by a vRPD would be akin to you >> being on the console. Technically 2008R2 is RDP 6.1 with enhancements >> that are only available to RDP 7 capable clients. >> >> On 2/8/11 11:05 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>> If I understand it correctly, I can still use a W2K8/R2 VM as the guest >>> within VirtualBox and reap the benefit of video redirection. What tripped >>> me up is the following line in the documentation: >>> >>> 7.1.9 VRDP video redirection >>> [...stuff deleted] >>> On the client side, however, currently only the Windows 7 Remote Desktop >>> Connection client supports this feature. >>> >>> Wouldn't it be more accurate to write "RDP 7" instead of "Windows 7"? >>> Because W2K8/R2 uses RDP 7 but is not Windows 7, technically. >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:06 AM >>> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>> >>> Hi Ivar, >>> Not all the pieces are in place to make that suggestion work seamlessly >>> today, but I believe Oracle understands the benefit of such a solution >>> and the value of having it work seamlessly with it's desktop >>> virtualization offerings. >>> >>> I have to say that it warms my heart to see members of the community >>> realizing the potential of VirtualBox brings to the VDI market. ;) >>> >>> Over the past couple of years, the product teams for Oracle VDI and >>> VirtualBox have developed an amazing symbiotic relationship. Of course >>> this is just my opinion, but I seriously doubt our any of our prior VDI >>> efforts were really considered Sun acquired InnoTek. Nor do I think >>> anyone ever really envisioned that the Sun Ray product group would >>> become the primary consumer of VirtualBox technology. I know there are >>> plenty of stories of people who left Oracle because they didn't like the >>> decision made about the products they worked on, but I can't say I share >>> that sentiment. It's a pretty exciting time to be involved with both >>> Oracle VDI and Sun Ray. >>> >>> >>> On 2/5/11 2:15 AM, Ivar Janmaat wrote: >>>> Although I have not tested it. A theoretical solution would be possible >>>> with Oracle VDI. >>>> If you run a VirtualBox server with Windows XP/7 then you can enable 3D >>>> hardware acceleration in de VM and VirtualBox additions software in >>>> Windows. >>>> If you connect from the Sun Ray server to the VirtualBox server with >>>> VRDP then you can use de Rapid Changing Area (RCA) detection feature in >>>> VRDP to get the 2D image compressed and sent to the Sun Ray. >>>> I think this is the best route to go. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Ivar >>>> >>>> Jahandad Khan schreef: >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> we are having a similar sort of problem, there is a product called >>>>> virtual gl which has the exact solution to this problem. however the >>>>> catch is that sun discontinued its support in 2009 (thereby the plugin >>>>> which integrates a virtual gl server to sunray is now in-existent on >>>>> the internet). I have tried contacting the developer incharge of it on >>>>> source forge but the guy didnt reply. 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