We'd be attaching with uttsc. So we would not get the benefit of vRDP? That's a bummer because that was the main benefit I was counting on.
But we'd still get the advantage of using x86 Solaris so there would be no need to convert the MS enhanced bitmap stream to M-JPEG as on the SPARC/CMT architecture? Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem A bit of a clarification, a VirtualBox VM with W2K8 could be multiuser if attaching via MS-RDP. But you wouldn't get the benefits of vRDP. vRDP attaches at the hypervisor, not the OS. On 4/8/11 1:36 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Right but a Virtualbox VM isn't multi-user. To take advantage of RDP7 > features on Win2K8 you probably want to run that on bare metal. > > I would test Win7 and even XP though in VirtualBox via vRDP for the > reasons discussed below. I think youd find that it's an easy switch from > WTS via Kiosk to VDI especially for a shop floor where you could have > VM's start per DTU and not worry about per user preferences. > > On Apr 8, 2011, at 1:28 PM, "Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions)" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> The reason for using W2K8/R2 is because this is a shop floor >> environment with dozens of affected thin clients so if this solution >> is to work, it has to be a multi-user solution as that's what we're >> using now [or else we have to re-architect the existing one]. >> >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:13 PM >> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >> >> That feature would only be available on the console and would require >> that the host had a GPU. >> >> I would test both vRDP and MS-RDP with Win7. No reason to use W2K8R2 in >> the VM. >> >> On 4/8/11 11:46 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>> We're about to start our experiment [using x86 Solaris + VirtualBox >>> and a W2K8/R2 virtual machine to see if it speeds up rendering of >>> Right Hemisphere drawings] and have a question: in the Virtual Box >>> settings for the machine, in the Display/Video tab there is a >>> checkbox called "Extended Features: Enable 3D Acceleration" which is >>> grayed out. Anyone know how to "ungray" it so it can be checked? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>> >>> Think of vRDP like capturing the output of a video card of the console. >>> It's not built for multiple people on the same machine (though it does >>> a method that you can have multiple "video cards", but that's just >>> mirroring what's coming from the single console. >>> >>> While we do have MS-RDP7 enhancements, due to the native of using the >>> native Microsoft experience features (unlike 2003 were we wrote >>> solutions that were limited to flash through IE and certain types of >>> content through WMP) the Sun Ray Server has to be more powerful. Which >>> is why I recommend trying your current setup but using a fast x86 server >>> at the Sun Ray server instead of the CMT servers, that can be very fasts >>> if applications are written to take advantage of the archtictures (i.e. >>> multithreaded aps operating in parallel) >>> >>> However vRDP has other features that either MS-RDP doesn't have or >>> actually blocks from working. For instance, DRM protected content won't >>> play over MS-RDP, but with vRDP, the software doesn't have any idea that >>> you are coming in remotely so things like the netflix player would even >>> work. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/8/11 12:20 PM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>>> Craig, >>>> >>>> Does the fact that vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level make it >>>> less useful or even non-functional in a WTS scenario? Or does it >>>> perhaps mean that there will be resource constraints since it's not >>>> multi-user? >>>> >>>> It was my understanding that of the 2 performance tweaks [going to >>>> x86 and VirtualBox], vRDP was supposed to provide the lion's share >>>> of the performance boost. Has that been your experience? >>>> >>>> For scenario 1, did SRS 5.1.2 markedly improve SRWC, which is where >>>> I would imagine the action to be happening? >>>> >>>> We are currently pursuing scenario #2 but I suppose, along the way, >>>> we can also do #1. >>>> >>>> Thanks as always for your detailed information. >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:44 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>>> >>>> vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level, it's not multi user like WTS/RDS >>>> >>>> The two things that I've suggested trying for your app are: >>>> >>>> 1) Use a modern x86 server (rather than CMT) and see how your app works >>>> with SRS 5.1.2 and our MS-RDP7 enhancements. Currently the CMT server >>>> in your mix is affecting how well our new RDP7 feature works since we >>>> have to convert the Microsoft enhanced bitmap stream to M-JPEG at the >>>> Sun Ray Sever layer. >>>> >>>> 2) Build a VirutalBox VM of Win7 (or 2008R2 if that's easier) and see >>>> how your app works over vRDP. Little if any processing takes place on >>>> the Sun Ray server. >>>> >>>> On 2/8/11 11:33 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>>>> Craig, >>>>> >>>>> Does your statement imply that, since there is only one console >>>>> display, that only 1 user would be able to use that W2K8/R2 WTS? Or >>>>> can I somehow still manage to put many users on the WTS and they >>>>> can all take advantage of the accelerated video? >> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:27 AM >>>>> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >>>>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>>>> >>>>> The catch is that for 2008R2 is access by a vRPD would be akin to you >>>>> being on the console. Technically 2008R2 is RDP 6.1 with enhancements >>>>> that are only available to RDP 7 capable clients. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/8/11 11:05 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>>>>> If I understand it correctly, I can still use a W2K8/R2 VM as the >>>>>> guest within VirtualBox and reap the benefit of video redirection. >>>>>> What tripped me up is the following line in the documentation: >>>>>> >>>>>> 7.1.9 VRDP video redirection >>>>>> [...stuff deleted] >>>>>> On the client side, however, currently only the Windows 7 Remote >>>>>> Desktop Connection client supports this feature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Wouldn't it be more accurate to write "RDP 7" instead of "Windows >>>>>> 7"? Because W2K8/R2 uses RDP 7 but is not Windows 7, technically. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:06 AM >>>>>> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >>>>>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ivar, >>>>>> Not all the pieces are in place to make that suggestion work >>>>>> seamlessly >>>>>> today, but I believe Oracle understands the benefit of such a >>>>>> solution >>>>>> and the value of having it work seamlessly with it's desktop >>>>>> virtualization offerings. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say that it warms my heart to see members of the community >>>>>> realizing the potential of VirtualBox brings to the VDI market. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Over the past couple of years, the product teams for Oracle VDI and >>>>>> VirtualBox have developed an amazing symbiotic relationship. Of >>>>>> course >>>>>> this is just my opinion, but I seriously doubt our any of our >>>>>> prior VDI >>>>>> efforts were really considered Sun acquired InnoTek. Nor do I think >>>>>> anyone ever really envisioned that the Sun Ray product group would >>>>>> become the primary consumer of VirtualBox technology. I know there >>>>>> are >>>>>> plenty of stories of people who left Oracle because they didn't >>>>>> like the >>>>>> decision made about the products they worked on, but I can't say I >>>>>> share >>>>>> that sentiment. It's a pretty exciting time to be involved with both >>>>>> Oracle VDI and Sun Ray. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/5/11 2:15 AM, Ivar Janmaat wrote: >>>>>>> Although I have not tested it. A theoretical solution would be >>>>>>> possible >>>>>>> with Oracle VDI. >>>>>>> If you run a VirtualBox server with Windows XP/7 then you can >>>>>>> enable 3D >>>>>>> hardware acceleration in de VM and VirtualBox additions software in >>>>>>> Windows. >>>>>>> If you connect from the Sun Ray server to the VirtualBox server with >>>>>>> VRDP then you can use de Rapid Changing Area (RCA) detection >>>>>>> feature in >>>>>>> VRDP to get the 2D image compressed and sent to the Sun Ray. >>>>>>> I think this is the best route to go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ivar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jahandad Khan schreef: >>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are having a similar sort of problem, there is a product called >>>>>>>> virtual gl which has the exact solution to this problem. however >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> catch is that sun discontinued its support in 2009 (thereby the >>>>>>>> plugin >>>>>>>> which integrates a virtual gl server to sunray is now >>>>>>>> in-existent on >>>>>>>> the internet). I have tried contacting the developer incharge of >>>>>>>> it on >>>>>>>> source forge but the guy didnt reply. 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