Hello Craig,

Sorry for the late response.
Some other things needed my attention first.
Your crystal-ball kung fu is indeed quite strong ;-)

I am wondering though.
I don't like to wait 5 years before all enterprise apps are device independent.
How to move forward this year and the next?
How will the best hybrid working environment look now when we still need for instance MS office and some special windows based accounting software?
If we can bypass VDA licensing this would be nice ;-).
So are there any plans for some open desktop for the Sun ray?
Are we moving to Oracle linux or Solaris 11 as a desktop?
The Virtualbox part of the VDI solution isn't that interesting anymore if you want to move away from the Windows desktop. It will be much more cost effective to just run a desktop on de Sun Ray servers and pull the apps from apps servers. I would be happy to move to Solaris 11 but some managed desktop profile control (A Point Of Control) software would be helpful.

Kind regards,

Ivar



Craig Bender schreef:
Call me a pessimist. ;)

Not to brag, but my crystal-ball kung fu is quite strong. Take a look.

I don't see their behavior ever changing until they are in an underdog situation. The current crop of devices and remote protocols is something they've never faced before. But they are not about to waive the white flag and they will do what they have to do to protect their market share.

Take a trip down memory lane. When did applications stop being more important than the OS? 1995. Windows 95 made the OS the killer app. Before Windows 95, applications ruled. They ruled because they made device consolidation possible. The early PC OS was horrible, but applications transformed on device into multiple things. The applications on a PC replaced your typewriter, your filing cabinet and your ledger. Forget DOS, forget Office, forget NT. Windows 95 is what created the Microsoft we know today. Never before did people line up to buy an operating system. MS marketing created a rock star before anybody even clicked their first Start button.

But today you have non-Windows tablets and phones (iOS, Android, etc) that are once again showing people that the application is what is important. The application is once again transforming the device. My phone can be a credit card terminal? My phone can be a GPS? My phone can be (insert anything you can find on an app store)? Do you care about the OS? Only if the App isn't available for it. So what are application developers doing? They are writing more and more apps for more and more devices. If an app is successful on one device platform, you can almost guarantee it will be written for another. That hasn't happened since 1995.

You also have the next generation of corporate users who use these devices far more than they ever have, or ever will use a PC. This spells *big* trouble for MS. Especially since they've failed at almost every device attempt they've ever done outside of Xbox. And even that's not the top selling console. This is not my opinion, the is fact.

One may say this is all the more reason the go with the RemoteFX = Free WVDA theory. While a nice thought, that doesn't make up the revenue loss should the Windows PC OEM market go south. And it's going to go south sooner or later. A PC is more and more impractical as internet access becomes more and more important. Today getting to critical Windows apps is important for the enterprise space. But the apps that will be critical tomorrow are those that can be accessed regardless of the device. Devices are driving everything, and the majority of them are not Windows-based devices.

Any enterprise app that has a hard requirement for Windows or worse IE will be dead in five years if it's not also running on Firefox, Chrome, etc and has no specific OS requirement. Name one enterprise app that is showing up for iOS or Android that requires Windows. This trend will do the proverbially hockey stick in the next year or so.

Remote protocols will always be important because speed of light issues will always exist and the global work force will continue to be more and more distributed. The protocols that don't require additional network gear to perform regardless of distance from the server will be those that survive.

Also against the RemoteFX = no WVDA theory is the fact that MS has almost zero track record for making thin client computing more affordable than than a PC. I'm not trying to make anyone who likes MS Operating systems mad, it's the truth. The one thing they did that died a quick death was the no TS-CAL requirement for W2K Pro machines.

Sure, sometimes their own licensing bites them and a loop hole exists such as Office gets licensed where it is displayed. Great for call centers, not so great for something like SGD or Citrix (or even OVDC) where people access it from many different devices.

Finally, all of the RemoteFX = Requirement for future offering is based on the assumption that RemoteFX will allow things will to scale where it will still be a profitable ROI. Here's where you'll get my "opinion" (mixed with a bit of perfmon results)...and I'd say that's probably not going to happen. ;)

But if you were left with only the MS point of view, you'd see hear none of the above. Thin clients, VDI, SBC, is dead. You do remember their anti-Linux and anti-Vmware campaigns right? Those should have been dead by now right? "Get the facts!"

I really like VDI, but if one really needs windows, it still seems like the exception that terminal server won't do today. And if you *want* VDI, I'd really like to have someone show me where a Win7 device has a better ROI than Sun Ray given the same VDI back-end. The "VDI tax" of WVDA is going to be about $60 a year more than SA. The admin, power, and productivity of Sun Ray will blow that $60 per year out of the water.

We are witnessing the rebirth of the application. Devices will continue be important, but only if they allow unfettered access to the applications or content users want.

I wonder how a device that doesn't ever need an app installed on it to be transformed will fare in the future? The Sun Ray has always been about access to applications. Most of those on this list knew this even though Sun's marketing couldn't quite figure it out. Whatever you think about Oracle, they've put more into this portfolio in one year than Sun did in the past 10. The future is looking pretty bright. Of course, I am very biased. :)



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