"osx isn't a language, it's an operating system."

Of course it isn't, I didn't mean for anyone to refer to 
OSX as a language.  The software "written" for OSX 
is in an old language and easier to "hack" than it 
was 2 years ago.   I figured you would know what I 
was saying when I wrote it.

My apologies.
> 
> 
> Late-R wrote:
> ---------
> > I should probably rephrase and expound on my thoughts from the previous email:
> > The definitions of "Hacker" and "Cracker" have taken a turn in the past 15
> > years or so with the onslaught of the true computer age.  Now with the influx
> > of Pirated software and every kid on the block having a computer on their
> > desk, more and more people are gaining knowledge that was only privy to those
> > few who were lucky and geeky enough to be around back when you were a star for
> > serializing Quark and passing it around.
> 
> you are correct, sadly languages tend to degenerate, particularly technical 
> language when adopted by the press and law enforcement.  however, that's no 
> excuse for not trying to know better.  aint may be in the dictionary, but it 
> aint a word i chose to use.  i like to seperate, somewhat, legit hacking and 
> illegit cracking, as i am proud to have done the former, and hope to do more of 
> the former, but have little or no interest in using admittedly largely the same > 
>knowledge for illicit activities.  i have no interest in  breaking into banks,  
> via computer or otherwise.  i do have allot of interest in modifying hardware 
> and software, as well as non-computer systems in ways which are personally 
> interesting and hopefully make them more useful to myself and others.  i am a 
> hacker, i dislike being branded an outlaw by in ignorant press, and hence 
> society, which doesn't bother to learn the vocabulary before trying to use it.  
> then again, i'm delighted to know the origins of "foobar", and hence the popular 
> variables of "foo" and "bar".  foobar tried to do the same thing programing as 
> the press does when they talk about technology, and was appropriately punished 
> for it, by a hacker!  (the story goes that foobar would constantly get "illegal 
> instruction" errors, because he just made up nmenonics he thought the computer 
> should understand, and didn't bother to try and learn.  apparently some clever 
> hacker rigged the computer room to flash all the room lights and display "foobar > 
>you goofed" on the monitor the next time it happened, which of course it did.  
> all this apparently at mit, on a truly stoneage machine, though it was solid 
> state so it wasn't that old.
> 
> > 
> > Especially now, when OSX software is based on basically an old language, and
> > DOS has been unchanged since the beginning of time, developers are finding
> > more and more ways to catch the illegal pirated stuff (thanks to direct
> > connections to the internet and information packets sent to the host), and
> > more and more people have nothing better to do than to sit and figure out a
> > way around it.
> 
> osx isn't a language, it's an operating system.  now it is loosely based on 
> english, which is an old language, and it is based on unix, which is a very old 
> but likely the first well thought out operating system, which is why it's been 
> reinvented constantly for over 20 years (and of course it encompasses a set of 
> commands which are a language, but that's the osx command set (or os x command > 
>language if you prefer)).  that's the type of track record that is truly 
> encouraging.  in fact, probably the only still popular software that old, is 
> software that runs under *nix!  things like the classic "vi", or video editor, 
> back when a screen oriented editor was still a novelty and many were using truly 
> painful command line editors (which i've done, it's terrible!).
> 
> i would say some vendors are trying to catch software pirates in new ways, and 
> as usual, are mostly aggravating the legitimate user, as has always been the 
> case with copy protection, going back at least to the apple II where copy 
> protected software didn't like to install off of other makers drives.  
> doubtless, they've caught a few home users of pirated stuff, well, in classic 
> terms, BFD, the real software piracy is done by international conglomerates, no 
> one ever gets caught, the pirates make obscene amounts of money, the software 
> vendors loose out, and international treaties are changed very little to stop > it.  
>it's well known that china is the major source for counterfeit microsoft 
> stuff, stuff sold to stores and consumers as legit (and even the stores often 
> don't know!).  it works just like legit, unless you actually try to register it, 
> then you are out the software, the store may be harassed, but probably didn't 
> know, and even if they did it's probably not provable, and the pirate laughs all 
> the way to the bank!  just like the secret service can't stop counterfeit money, 
> no one can stop counterfeit software, but they keep harassing the small time 
> thief since they can't stop what counts.  frankly, it's more than a little 
> perverse, our "great" leaders certainly could greatly reduce intentional trade 
> in counterfeit software if they squeezed china and the like, but those countries 
> are far too valuable to other businesses to mess with, so we let them get away 
> with a little theft, and they let us benefit from slave labor, and everyone is > 
>happy (except the slaves of course, but that never seems to matter 
> historically).  all this as we try to send the high schooler to jail for using a 
> pirated copy of word to write a term paper, it makes allot of sense, to some.
> 
> > Basically, I think you would upset more than a few of the elite if you
> > referred to them as a Cracker instead of a Hacker.  And you would probably
> > make the day of a few of the Crackers if you called them a Hacker.
> > 
> > Again, just my 2�.  =]
> 
> well of course, just like enron execs don't want to be called thieves, they'd at 
> least like to be called embezzlers and "guilty of fraud", few want to be called 
> a criminal when they are, of course there are always those who know exactly what 
> they are and revel in it, good or bad, they at least have some honesty!
> 
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