>Thanks to Steve, Howie and James, but I am still at loss for what to do.
>
>Steve: yes the drive is internal, I have it terminated and at id 1 with the
>parity bit off. The system tries to boot from it but it will either spit the
>cd out or it will boot to the floppy and then say that it wants to
>initailzed the cd (which it can't of course)
>
>Howie: There was a definiate termination problem with my 2 cdroms and the
>zip.  I know that the first cd as ID1 second cd as ID2 and the zip as ID3
>and terminated. but still not booting from cd. With the E100 card I am
>unable to get past the grey startup screen so I put in an adaptec 3490UDW

     What chain was the HD on and what id when not booting? What make are 
the cd roms?
>
>James:I tried the original cdrom alone/terminated and it sounded like it was
>going to boot then it when to the floppy and it showed me the cdrom both in
>drive setup and disk first aid but not in the finder.

     Sounds like no cd reader support but you can add a cd reader to the 
system on the floppy in the form of the hacked Apple driver or a third 
party driver if your cd roms are not supported by Apple - let me know if 
you need either and I'll mail them. Just drop either onto the system 
folder on the floppy and it should add it to the extensions - then reboot 
and the cd's should mount and become bootable via the startup disk 
control panel.

>
>
>I am still unable to boot from anything but the floppy. I am unable to get
>"drive setup lite" to see the quantum drive when it is by itself on the
>controller. It is a viking se 4.? gig. I am working off an Adaptec 3490uwd
>controller card and now the system will still only boot off the floppy.   I
>can get the wd drive to be seen by drive setup lite when it is by itself
>which is nice but it is still not recognized.  I know that both drives are
>good because I just put them in my XP machine and what able to format them
>(Yes I know shame on me but I need to test them in a different machine).
>
>Is there a bootable floppy that has cdrom support?
>
>Any more thoughts out there?
>
>
>Mike

     There are third party utilities for formatting unsupported drives in 
a mac such as HD SpeedTools and FWB HD Toolkit and Atto Express Tools 
(free from Atto). If the WD is seen by drive setup the odds are that it 
will initialise with a third party utility - if the Quantum drive is not 
seen at all by the system utilities it could prove a problem even for 
third party formatters.

     Pete in the UK




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