Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Like many people who don't quite understand the NNTP protocol and
equate it to mail or web or mailing list or something they thought up,
you are confusing DELETE (move to trash or just erase) with CANCEL
(send NNTP CANCEL message, attempt to remove this from every server
everywhere). Oddly, people delete mail from their mailbox and don't
expect all other cc recipients will lose their copy. That's the way
the news reader should work, I don't want to see this headers in the
header list any more, I'm not interested. If the message is
downloaded, get rid of it. Just like mail.
SeaMonkey can take a delete rule in a message filter and not get
excited because it's not my message, why can't news work right? The
conceptual problem is old, whoever wrote the key bindings bound delete
to mean cancel, k to mean throw away this thread, and no obvious way
to just throw the message away. I would love to have news work as
mail, and add some additional command to actually attempt to sent the
CANCEL.
News does "work right." The fundamental difference between news and mail
is that news messages do not belong to you (except of course your own
posts). So they are not deleted when you download them (POP3 model), and
you have no right to delete them on the server (IMAP model). What you
/can/ do is hide them (e.g. by killing the thread or marking them as
read), and that's why this group's 11,434 messages look to me like 26.
No, the NNTP interface to DELETE is to try to send a CANCEL message, whereas the
mail function of DELETE is a local removal to junk or the bit bucket. Having the
same key do very different things in news and mail was a bad design decision,
and the user can't remap keys because there's no function (unless it's
undocumented) to mark a message "never show me" other than the "K" function
which hides the whole thread.
If I were designing this over, I would have a "delete subthread" capability to
hide a post and any reply with a references header including the evil post. I am
neither asking for nor offering to write that, just saying that it would be
vastly useful for people who hijack threads or deflect the topic.
I believe that the functions of news and mail should do the same thing, and that
there should be a way to "not see" something, by erading the headers as well as
marking it read.
Unless you're a total idiot who constantly posts stupid $#!+ (and I
don't think you are), chances are you really don't need to /delete/ all
your messages, just the occasional misfire. And a filter isn't the right
tool for that, it takes wetware.
On the other hand, I would find it convenient to be able to plonk
certain writers (or should I say "wrongers"?) without having to sift
through a hundred messages or so every day for their names...
And you can do that in a filter before you see the post, once it's read you can
only hide all unread. There are reasons for not doing that, too.
--
Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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