JeffM <[email protected]> wrote : >>JeffM wrote : >>>Finding a service that isn't run by bozos would be a good plan. >>> > Jane_Galt wrote: >>Webshots is it, pretty much, for HD color photo downloading. >> > That pretty much sucks. > Some competition in that segment would be good. > I wonder why there isn't any.
Webshots built a huge base of excellent wallpaper photos ( now in HD too ) and then got bought out by American Greetings, which IMO screwed up their site with too much high techy crapola. > ...and Seamonkey is an old Netscape codename. > SeaMonkey (CamelCase) is the current suite, > descended from the Mozilla suite. Not FF? >>>Jane_Galt wrote: >>>[sig] >>>>[...]Government does NOT "create jobs"[...] >>>> >>>FDR, OTOH, **did** put people to work >>>and did it while "The Free Market" sat on its thumb. >> >>Who paid for it? >> > The citizens of the USA who had been paying taxes > thru Coolidge's and Hoover's ostensibly fat years. > It's called an investment in the future. No, an investment can only be private. Private parties invest the money they've EARNED. Government loots people and destroys wealth. They cant "invest", they can only consume other peoples' wealth, taken at gunpoint. It's like calling a burglar an "investor" when he takes your TV set and buys himself a car with the money he sold it for. "Two men have no more natural right to exercise any kind of authority over one, than one has to exercise the same authority over two. A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime; whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, (or by any other name indicating his true character), or by millions calling themselves a government." - Lysander Spooner > ...but I guess if it doesn't show up an a earnings statement, > it doesn't count as such to some folks. Individuals rightfully own their own lives and therefore should own what they spend parts of their lives to produce. THAT can rightfully be called "investment" when they put it to work for them, and lend it to people to earn more. Government cant possibly "invest" because it wasnt their money to begin with. > OTOH, in 1933, one in four Americans didn't have a job because > of the same kind of laissez-faire markets we saw recently. Oh, evil capitalism, we must loot and redistribute wealth. > Corporations have only one goal: Make money...ethics be damned. Not in their interest to have poor ethics. There are companies I no longer buy from because of that, including Sarah Lee, for supporting Sarah Brady and working against my inalienable rights. I will never again buy Sarah Lee, their brand is dead to me now. > It is the job of the gov't to regulate the extent of the greed Where does the Constitution say that? > and the Republicans didn't do that in the 1920s > nor did the NeoCons or NeoLiberals recently. Good, because there's no constitutional authority to do so. >>but only a free market can create real jobs, not slave pits. >> > Tell it to the CCC members who had money to send to their families > who would have starved otherwise. > Tell it to the folks who had TVA jobs > and the folks who benefit from the TVA infrastructure today. > Tell it to the REA workers who electrified the rural part of the > country > and the folks who benefit from that today. The "Great Depression" was just a recession in the rest of the world, and was only a Depression here because of the policies of the government, which are coincidentally identical to the policies of the current government. "We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work.... We have never made good on our promises.... I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started... and an enormous debt to boot." - Henry Morgenthau, who served as Roosevelt's treasury secretary during FDR's administration. He was the one who originally worked with FDR to formulate those spending policies! > Tell it to the folks who are being foreclosed on today > while the "investment bankers" DON'T actually invest in anything. They invest the money of peoples' 401k retirement funds, in great part. > Your emperor has no clothes. Your marxism has never worked and has always caused misery, poverty, loss of freedom and death. "Any alleged "right" of one man, which necessitates the violation of the rights of another, is not and cannot be a right. No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as "the right to enslave". -- Ayn Rand >>>Ayn Ran was a complete tool. >>> >>Ok so you just came out as a marxist. <sigh> >> > "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" > seems like a decent baseline for a fair society. No, actually it's a decent baseline for killing all incentives. Greed is what makes people want to work harder and earn more so they can have better lives. When people like you try to legislate "fairness" and equal outcomes, it kills all incentives and everyone winds up in poverty. Examples are North Korea and Cuba. If you dictate equal outcomes and pay everyone in a society, say $10 an hour, why should the lazy ones work, and why should the brightest become doctors? People arent equal. Some would rather not work and live in a park somewhere, while others would rather become doctors and do surgery to save people. Marxism loots the best and supports the failures. > You seem to advocate the law of the jungle. Nope, just inalienable individual rights - the right of people to own their own lives, not be owned by some collective, and to have the right to the property ( money, wealth ) that they spend parts of their lives to produce. > ...and Rand was a poseur. > As I alluded to, left to their own devices, in an actual jungle > the Free Market idiots would all die within 72 hours. Nonsense. And Rand was against anarchism, so that dog dont hunt bubba. >>>It would be great to see all the NeoCons and NeoLiberals >>>each alone on his own desert island and see how along they'd last >>>without government to prop up their sorry posturing asses. >> >>I'm neither, I wouldnt know. > If you are a Randian, you are one or the other. You apparently know nothing about it, you dont even know what her philosophy is called. Randian? Please. I'm an Objectivist, because I THINK her philosophy would bring about peace, prosperity and freedom in the world, versus the misery, poverty, despair and death that have always been caused by all forms of forced-collectivism. >>Neocons and liberals are all pretty much the same to me, >> > Note that I said *NeoLiberal*--not Liberal Who cares? Various flavors of forced-collectivism, all of them. > ...and there's not a dime's worth of difference > between a NeoCon and a NeoLiberal to me. We somewhat agree on that. > As for Liberals (I call myself Progressive, actually) LOL! Unmasked yourself, eh? "Elect progressive candidates for every office - for jobs, security, democracy, and peace, vote Communist!" - "Progress and Democracy for Rhode Island.", 1938 "I don´t want to punish anybody but there are an extraordinary amount of people whom I want to kill. I think it would be a good thing to make everybody come before a properly appointed board and say every five or every seven years, just put them there and say "Sir or Madam, will you be kind enough to justify your existence?´ If you´re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more then clearly we cannot use this big organization of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive because your life does not benefit us and it can´t be of very much use to yourself."" - George Bernard Shaw, 20th Century Progressive icon Oh, at the end of that video by Shaw, he gave the nazi salute. Seems he was a big fan of Hitler too. "I prefer the word progressive, which has a real American meaning, going back to the progressive era at the beginning of the 20th Century. I consider myself a modern progressive." - HILLARY CLINTON, JULY 23, 2007 http://reason.com/archives/2006/05/05/when-bigots-become-reformers Shaw was fascinating, he advocated killing everyone who couldnt produce more than what society supported them with, in as humane a way as possible of course. His ideas were later picked up by Hitler's boys, when they designed the means of doing that. Go look up the Fabian Socialists, the precursor of modern Progressivism. Nice guys. Shaw was one of them. > next time you DON'T have to work a 14-hour day: Thank a Liberal. Nonsense. The technological advances made by those evil capitalists that you hate so much, made it unnecessary. Things like the light bulb, the internal combustion engine, refrigeration, modern farming, etc. > next time you have to work with a company's equipment > and it DOESN'T tear off your arm: Thank a Liberal. Silly. In a free society, someone who produced dangerous equipment would be sued out of existence. > Most of the advances we ever gained were Liberal in origin. Just plain silly. Hey, if it matters to you, I was a 60's liberal...then in the 90's, I grew up. >>various flavors of forced-collectivists. >> > Everybody having enough to eat and proper medical care > in a society that has huge wealth as a whole > seems aberrant to you, huh? That's perverse. Yeah, all the goodness in life flows out of the sunshining rectum of forced-collectivism. Where would we be without it. Why the medical doctors need to unionize, they're the last oppressed class that needs to do so. LOL > . > [1] ...and I won't defend criminals > e.g. GWB should be handed over to The Hague. > If I'd known then what I know now about him, that he was a Progressive in neocon clothing, I'd have never voted for him. -- - Jane Galt By taxing, borrowing and wasting money that the tax slaves must be forced to pay back, Government does NOT "create jobs", it NEVER HAS. It actually consumes and destroys the wealth that the private sector, which really DOES create jobs, could be using to do so!
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