On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] wrote: >On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:40:24 AM UTC-7, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote: >> On Wed, 4 May 2016 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] >> wrote: >> >> >SeaMonkey 2.4 (presumed 32-bit) >> >Windows 7 32-bit >> >At CMD DOS Box, ver: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601] >> >Shockwave Flash 21.0.0.213 (as read from SeaMonkey Add-ons Manager) >> > >> >Video card (info via Speccy program): >> >ATI AMD Radeon HD 6570 >> > Manufacturer ATI >> > Model AMD Radeon HD 6570 >> > GPU Turks >> > Device ID 1002-6759 >> > Subvendor Diamond (1092) >> > Current Performance Level Level 0 >> > Voltage 0.900 V >> > Die Size 118 mm² >> > Release Date Apr 19, 2011 >> > DirectX Support 11.0 >> > DirectX Shader Model 5.0 >> > OpenGL Support 4.2 >> > GPU Clock 650.0 MHz >> > Temperature 52 °C >> > Core Voltage 1.050 V >> > Bios Core Clock 100.00 >> > Bios Mem Clock 150.00 >> > Driver version 8.950.0.0 >> > BIOS Version 113-930-930 >> > ROPs 32 >> > Shaders 480 unified >> > Memory Type DDR3 >> > Memory 2048 MB >> > Pixel Fillrate 20.8 GPixels/s >> > Bandwidth 21.3 GB/s >> > >> >Thanks for prompt response. >> > >> >--SLMorris >> >> Since you're on a 32-bit system and some others have explained it's >> memory limits, you might be experiencing memory pressure issues. >> Meaning, you're hitting a memory ceiling and the system is starved for >> resources with your tabs open. These web sites might have intensive >> images and other resource gobbling code. If you have anything else >> running on your system while Firefox is running, it too will eat up >> memory only making the problem worse. Not much you can do. >> >> You have a 4GB system with a 2GB video card. That 4GB of system RAM >> works out to be about 3.1GB usable to the *whole* system. It's a >> 32-bit OS limitation. That 2GB video card eats up 2GB of RAM >> automatically for address space leaving you with 1.1GB of free RAM. If >> anything else is using memory, you're going to run out of free RAM >> quickly. Thus, experience CPU churn and hard disk swapping virtual >> RAM. >> >> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] > >@The Chicago Wolf: > >If the upper limit on a 32-bit system is 4GB, why are you saying that it's >really 3.1 GB? Do you mean that if I switch out to 64-bit Win7, I will get the >full 4GB?
It's possible it is reporting usable RAM at 3.5GB as you may not have many components in your system occupying address space. I'm not saying Speccy is wrong, but in most cases a 32-bit system with 4GB of RAM will have 3.1GB usable. With a 64-bit system, usable RAM on a 4GB system would be nearly the full 4GB. On my lowly Latitude E6500 (released in 2008!) with 4GB RAM: Physical Memory Memory Usage 65 % Total Physical 3.93 GB Available Physical 1.36 GB Total Virtual 7.85 GB Available Virtual 4.82 GB As you can see, I'm seeing 3.93GB of the 4096 that 4GB of RAM totals. >Right this second, Speccy (sysinfo untility) reports: > >Physical Memory > Memory Usage 53 % > Total Physical 3.50 GB > Available Physical 1.62 GB > Total Virtual 7.00 GB > Available Virtual 4.32 GB > >Take a guess how much I want to: >(a) upgrade to 64-bit Windows 7; >(b) purchase new hardware. > >The only reason I upgraded from 64-bit WinXP to 32-bit Win7 is because I got a >5TB external USB 3.0 hard drive and WinXP-32 and Win XP-64 have a 2TB >partition size limit and cannot see a drive that large (unless it's already >formatted to partitions no larger than 2TB). That and the fact that Microsoft >finally and completely dumped XP support. > >Whatever computer hardware I buy now can only be cheap used hardware at a >local computer store that specializes in selling used PCs, presumably >obsoleted out by businesses. I don't know how new your system is presently, but you ought to be able to buy a used Optiplex 960, 980 or 7010 for cheap on eBay with a 64-bit version of Win 7. I think you might even be able to grab a 64-bit Win 10 install CD from Microsoft and use your 32-bit key. Might want to research that option a bit more. >Given what you wrote, and the fact that I have no money for new computer >hardware, do you suggest: choosing the most resource-light browser I can find >and then only running that browser on my system with no other programs >running? I know this is a SeaMonkey site, but which browser is the least CPU & >memory intensive? > >Note that my preferred method of Web-surfing means running 2 or 3 browsers >(SM, FF and Maxthon) simultaneously with each browser running multiple tabs, >while at the same time playing music on the PC, perhaps also with Foxit (PDF >reader) and OpenOffice also running. When I monitor my system for the purpose >of this thread, then I do have only 1 browser (Seamonkey) open. However, right >now I am running both FF and SM and CPU usage ranges primarily from 15-30% >(while watching Task Manager I also see spikes to 55%). While this might be your preferred method, you're running out of RAM fast. Remember, each apps take up RAM. Each web page decompresses those images into RAM and they can be large RAM hogs if it's a big image. Last I checked, web sites don't use small images because they think we all have 100Mb fiber links and 32GB of RAM. Have you tried with SM 2.43 as I posed in reply to one of your other messages? Here it is re-posted for you. Give it a shot. <snip> The Seamonkey build and update system has been busted for quite some time now on Mozilla.org. However... Please try with 2.43 from here as it's being built by a Mozilla person on a loaner machine until they fix things properly at Mozilla.: https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/ Also read https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2340. "Adrian Kalla is still producing his localized builds. Ratty suggests that we should put out a notice on the default SM start page to tell people where they can download the latest 2.4x release builds (Mozilla-release is currently at Firefox 45 which corresponds to SeaMonkey 2.42)." </snip> >Thank you. > >--SLMorris - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] _______________________________________________ support-seamonkey mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
