On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 12:01:16 PM UTC-7, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 2016 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] > wrote: > > >On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 6:40:24 AM UTC-7, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote: > >> On Wed, 4 May 2016 13:10:36 -0700 (PDT), [email protected] > >> wrote: > >> > >> >SeaMonkey 2.4 (presumed 32-bit) > >> >Windows 7 32-bit > >> >At CMD DOS Box, ver: Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601] > >> >Shockwave Flash 21.0.0.213 (as read from SeaMonkey Add-ons Manager) > >> > > >> >Video card (info via Speccy program): > >> >ATI AMD Radeon HD 6570 > >> > Manufacturer ATI > >> > Model AMD Radeon HD 6570 > >> > GPU Turks > >> > Device ID 1002-6759 > >> > Subvendor Diamond (1092) > >> > Current Performance Level Level 0 > >> > Voltage 0.900 V > >> > Die Size 118 mm² > >> > Release Date Apr 19, 2011 > >> > DirectX Support 11.0 > >> > DirectX Shader Model 5.0 > >> > OpenGL Support 4.2 > >> > GPU Clock 650.0 MHz > >> > Temperature 52 °C > >> > Core Voltage 1.050 V > >> > Bios Core Clock 100.00 > >> > Bios Mem Clock 150.00 > >> > Driver version 8.950.0.0 > >> > BIOS Version 113-930-930 > >> > ROPs 32 > >> > Shaders 480 unified > >> > Memory Type DDR3 > >> > Memory 2048 MB > >> > Pixel Fillrate 20.8 GPixels/s > >> > Bandwidth 21.3 GB/s > >> > > >> >Thanks for prompt response. > >> > > >> >--SLMorris > >> > >> Since you're on a 32-bit system and some others have explained it's > >> memory limits, you might be experiencing memory pressure issues. > >> Meaning, you're hitting a memory ceiling and the system is starved for > >> resources with your tabs open. These web sites might have intensive > >> images and other resource gobbling code. If you have anything else > >> running on your system while Firefox is running, it too will eat up > >> memory only making the problem worse. Not much you can do. > >> > >> You have a 4GB system with a 2GB video card. That 4GB of system RAM > >> works out to be about 3.1GB usable to the *whole* system. It's a > >> 32-bit OS limitation. That 2GB video card eats up 2GB of RAM > >> automatically for address space leaving you with 1.1GB of free RAM. If > >> anything else is using memory, you're going to run out of free RAM > >> quickly. Thus, experience CPU churn and hard disk swapping virtual > >> RAM. > >> > >> - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] > > > >@The Chicago Wolf: > > > >If the upper limit on a 32-bit system is 4GB, why are you saying that it's > >really 3.1 GB? Do you mean that if I switch out to 64-bit Win7, I will get > >the full 4GB? > > It's possible it is reporting usable RAM at 3.5GB as you may not have > many components in your system occupying address space. I'm not saying > Speccy is wrong, but in most cases a 32-bit system with 4GB of RAM > will have 3.1GB usable. With a 64-bit system, usable RAM on a 4GB > system would be nearly the full 4GB. > > On my lowly Latitude E6500 (released in 2008!) with 4GB RAM: > > Physical Memory > Memory Usage 65 % > Total Physical 3.93 GB > Available Physical 1.36 GB > Total Virtual 7.85 GB > Available Virtual 4.82 GB > > As you can see, I'm seeing 3.93GB of the 4096 that 4GB of RAM totals. > > >Right this second, Speccy (sysinfo untility) reports: > > > >Physical Memory > > Memory Usage 53 % > > Total Physical 3.50 GB > > Available Physical 1.62 GB > > Total Virtual 7.00 GB > > Available Virtual 4.32 GB > > > >Take a guess how much I want to: > >(a) upgrade to 64-bit Windows 7; > >(b) purchase new hardware. > > > >The only reason I upgraded from 64-bit WinXP to 32-bit Win7 is because I got > >a 5TB external USB 3.0 hard drive and WinXP-32 and Win XP-64 have a 2TB > >partition size limit and cannot see a drive that large (unless it's already > >formatted to partitions no larger than 2TB). That and the fact that > >Microsoft finally and completely dumped XP support. > > > >Whatever computer hardware I buy now can only be cheap used hardware at a > >local computer store that specializes in selling used PCs, presumably > >obsoleted out by businesses. > > I don't know how new your system is presently, but you ought to be > able to buy a used Optiplex 960, 980 or 7010 for cheap on eBay with a > 64-bit version of Win 7. I think you might even be able to grab a > 64-bit Win 10 install CD from Microsoft and use your 32-bit key. Might > want to research that option a bit more. > > > >Given what you wrote, and the fact that I have no money for new computer > >hardware, do you suggest: choosing the most resource-light browser I can > >find and then only running that browser on my system with no other programs > >running? I know this is a SeaMonkey site, but which browser is the least CPU > >& memory intensive? > > > >Note that my preferred method of Web-surfing means running 2 or 3 browsers > >(SM, FF and Maxthon) simultaneously with each browser running multiple tabs, > >while at the same time playing music on the PC, perhaps also with Foxit (PDF > >reader) and OpenOffice also running. When I monitor my system for the > >purpose of this thread, then I do have only 1 browser (Seamonkey) open. > >However, right now I am running both FF and SM and CPU usage ranges > >primarily from 15-30% (while watching Task Manager I also see spikes to 55%). > > While this might be your preferred method, you're running out of RAM > fast. Remember, each apps take up RAM. Each web page decompresses > those images into RAM and they can be large RAM hogs if it's a big > image. Last I checked, web sites don't use small images because they > think we all have 100Mb fiber links and 32GB of RAM. > > Have you tried with SM 2.43 as I posed in reply to one of your other > messages? Here it is re-posted for you. Give it a shot. > > <snip> > The Seamonkey build and update system has been busted for quite some > time now on Mozilla.org. However... > > Please try with 2.43 from here as it's being built by a Mozilla person > on a loaner machine until they fix things properly at Mozilla.: > https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-release-windows32/ > > Also read https://blog.mozilla.org/meeting-notes/archives/2340. > > "Adrian Kalla is still producing his localized builds. Ratty suggests > that we should put out a notice on the default SM start page to tell > people where they can download the latest 2.4x release builds > (Mozilla-release is currently at Firefox 45 which corresponds to > SeaMonkey 2.42)." > </snip> > > >Thank you. > > > >--SLMorris > > > - Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]
YOU WROTE: "I don't know how new your system is presently..." One problem is, neither do I. I think I might have put this system together right before MS stopped supporting Win2K. AS FOR NEW HARDWARE, I usually buy at Fry's Electronics. Right now Fry's has "AMD Athlon 5350 & MSI AM1I Processor and Motherboard Combo" for $30 and "Patriot DDR3 16GB 1600MHz (2 x 8GB) Viper Dual Channel Memory Kit - Black" for $50. I guess I'm not as poor as I thought. I doubt I could get a decent used system from a used PC store that cheaply. AS FOR UPGRADING O/S: Going by what you wrote, if I migrate to Win7x64 I get another usable 430MB out of my 4GB memory. That's an extra 10% of usable memory which sounds like a decent boost to me. Although I recall hearing that Win7-64bit was not as stable as Win7-32bit. Is the O/S upgrade (without changing any hardware) worth the trouble and the cost? YES, I AM USING SEAMONKEY 2.43. And right now my CPU usage varies from 2-5%, as in below 10%. If browsers continually crash (my Firefox continually crashes, my Seamonkey only sometimes and not anywhere near as often as Firefox), is that a hardware problem or a software problem? Or is the memory bind choking out the browser and causing it to misfire and crash? I DISABLED OR REMOVED A SLEW OF ADD-ONS/EXTENSIONS from Seamonkey. And, yes, it does seem to work better without them. I do not see Plugin-Container.exe anymore. I DON'T WANT WINDOWS 8 OR WINDOWS 10. The old saw being never buy a Microsoft O/S before Service Pack 3. Windows 7 drives me nuts. I want Win7 to look like WinXP which I had set up to look just like Win2K. Took me a good week to figure out how to make Win7 sort of look like my XP install. It drove me flat out nuts. Thanks again. --SLMorris _______________________________________________ support-seamonkey mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
