WaltS48 wrote:
> On 07/20/2016 11:54 AM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:
>> Desiree wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2016 10:38 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 19/07/2016 00:59:
>>>>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the best default User agent string could be:
>>>>>>> : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.38
>>>>>>> same as Firefox/41.0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then it will be recognized as FF by the bad sniffing method and
>>>>>>> recognized as SM by everybody.
>>>>>> You're thinking like a human being, silly!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some sniffers reject a UA string that contains "SeaMonkey" even if it
>>>>>> also contains "Firefox." That's why the solution in this thread worked
>>>>>> -- because Chase's sniffer is that stupid. You have to pretend to be
>>>>>> Firefox AND pretend not to be SeaMonkey.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I just thinked that the sniffer will only use the last "word" which is
>>>>> in this case "Firefox/41.0" instead of in the normal UAstring the last
>>>>> "word" is "SeaMonkey/2.38"
>>>>>
>>>>> So could be better to have the default string this:
>>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.38 same
>>>>> as Firefox/41.0
>>>>> instead of this:
>>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/41.0
>>>>> SeaMonkey/2.38
>>>>>
>>>>> Is my idea a bad idea ?
>>>> If it works, it's good; if it doesn't, it's bad. Only a Chase customer
>>>> can tell us. I can't log in because I don't bank with them. My bank is
>>>> fine with SeaMonkey.
>>>>
>>> For me, as a Chase customer, SeaMonkey cannot be in the string at all. I
>>> have
>>> Windows 8.0 Pro and am using User Agent Switcher extension and chose this
>>> string: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:40.0) Gecko/20100101
>>> Firefox/40.0. It works fine.
>> I logged into my Chase account (with Firefox, of course) and used their
>> Secure
>> Message center to send the following message. They say they will be back to
>> me
>> in one business day. I am looking forward to what they say. Probably "We no
>> longer support Netscape" :-)
>>
>> Why Won’t Chase Accept Seamonkey as a Legitimate Browser?
>>
>> The original and most popular internet web browser in the early 1990’s was
>> Netscape Navigator. When the ability to send and receive emails was added to
>> the
>> Netscape Navigator’s capabilities, the browser’s name was changed to
>> Netscape
>> Communicator. Netscape Communicator was eventually taken over by the Mozilla
>> Foundation where in addition to Netscape Communicator, Mozilla produced a
>> browser only without email capability and called it Firefox. At that time
>> Netscape Communicator was renamed Seamonkey. In essence, Seamonkey is a
>> direct
>> descendant of the original Netscape browser. It continues to be maintained
>> by
>> Mozilla and the browser portion of Seamonkey works the same way as FireFox.
>>
>> The problem is that when the Chase web software looks at the browser being
>> used
>> as defined by the User Agent string shown below, it accepts the User Agent
>> string from Firefox but rejects the User Agent string from Seamonkey. The
>> only
>> difference between the two User Agent strings is that the one from Seamonkey
>> adds “Seamonkey/2.40” at the end. Other than that, they are both the same.
>> User
>> Agent strings will also vary depending on the operating system used by the
>> computer. However, the common part of the User Agent string,
>> “Gecko/20100101” is
>> always present no matter what operating system is being used.
>>
>> I hope that the people who run your website will once again accept the users
>> of
>> the descendant of the original web browser now called Seamonkey as do the
>> other
>> major financial institutions such as American Express, Wells Fargo, Charles
>> Schwab, etc, etc
>>
>> User Agent String Samples for Firefox and Seamonkey
>>
>> Firefox
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0
>>
>> Seamonkey
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/43.0
>> SeaMonkey/2.40
>>
>>
>
> Actually it is SeaMonkey and not maintained by Mozilla, but the SeaMonkey
> Council, a small group of dedicated volunteers, that has lost some of its long
> time contributors, just like Thunderbird.
>
> Nice letter though.
>
Thanks for the correction on SeaMonkey Council. If my communication with their
message center doesn't work, I will send a copy of the above to Dr Gavin
Michael, Chief Technology Officer at Chase at their NY HQ.
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