> Hey, excuse me but, this IS a crock. Here's "Freenet" and already someone's coming on here espousing/advocating some pseudo-fascist censorship ideologies cloaked in the "lets make it more user-friendly" types of jargon. Come on people. If you don't like it don't click it. And this shit(don't excuse my french) about stuff for kids... I would not allow MY kids on freenet anyway so... Man, this topic deserves some input from Ian! > > > > Better portals. People _don't_ want links to child pornography (no, I don't > > > > want > > > > a discussion, flamefest etc, I'm talking the general public who want to USE > > > > Freenet) to be the first thing they see. Instead the top portal should contain > > > > links like the Diebold one, the Scientology Bible etc. Advertise the fact that > > > > Freedom of Speach is the central issue. > > > > This doesn't sound like such a bad idea. I'm sure persons delivering the > > really disgusting content have other channels for disseminator their keys. > > But I think freenet itself handles this problem. The very fact I'm > > getting DNF's is testment to the fact the freenet is very efficient (maybe > > a little too so) at weeding out stuff not accessed much like child > > pornagraphy with more active datastore things like stuff being censored by > > the DMCA and stuff (becuase that's a very hot topic right now). > > > > Freenet pretty much handles the child pornography on its own due to the > > way infrequently used data is preempted for newer data; and likely to > > require a lot of work of its maintainer (frequent inserts becuase it will > > degrade in the network rapidly becuase IMHO not a lot of people wish too > > see that material so they never request it - even more so because these > > are images and possibly even likely to be splitfiles - makes the > > maintenance to make the material accessible without the infamous DNF a lot > > of work for the maintainer of such sites). > > Interesting perspective. I hope you are right. > > > > On the other hand the file degradation feature tends to be bad for trendy > > things. Where the first month a resource is placed into the network (oh > > an example I like, such as an anime fansub) and then it idles and erodes > > away. It frustrates the heck out of me becuase the freesite that links to > > one video I'd like to see is *still* there but the 700M video DNFs all > > over the place (it's a splitfile) while trying to fetch it. > > > > > Somebody want to maintain a freesite that links to controversial > > > material but doesn't link to illegal material? A lot of it is a matter > > > of judgement and personal ethics - Thought Crime links to Mein Kampf and > > > an article on bestiality as well as a lot of overtly political stuff. > > > Anyway, YoYo's Controversy section is a good start. > > > > My thought on the "home" freesite links is that a good starter freesite > > should appeal to the majority of people and have the darker side of the > > freenet not bluntly proclaimed on the first page the freenet user sees. > > Splitting adult content away from general content/freenet/freedom links > > (ie having a single link to a separate freesite index for adult material > > may be a start in the right direction). This will at least make the first > > contact palatable for *anyone* entering the "home" freesite. > > Yes, this is why I like YoYo. However all the major index sites have > "what's new" pages which sometimes have questionable material... and I > don't think there's much that can be done about this, not without > client side scripts anyway. > > > > Something that might also be good is have some duplication of material > > that isn't controversial, illegal, or typically censored (ie: kid-safe > > freesites, educational sites and the lot). So that the freenet looks more > > like the internet. This will encourage more people to use freenodes to > > access content. Hitting heavy on the "no popups or banner ads" slogan > > needs to be flogged way more than it's mere mention in the documentation > > now. I think a good one is run a banner on normal internet sites: "run > > your own website! no size limit, no space limit! think this is a lie > > [click here]" (links to freenet.sf.net). > > I like this aspect. Most geeks seem to have access to virtually > unlimited hosting at virtually no cost, but I have friends for whom this > is a real problem - one who is active in the online gaming community for > example. She gets a LOT of hits. This is a serious problem - she has to > use a site that charges users a subscription for downloads... > > > Another idea might be to > > encourage people to mirror their sites onto freenet if they are on > > gee-oh-sh*tties or yoohoo/homestead with their grossly commercialized > > page extras forced onto their clients' websites and add a link [to view > > this site without ads click here]. Which should link to a customized > > distribution page (oh yeah that's a feature suggestion - being able to > > customize the redist pages made on your own node) explaining that view the > > freesite mirror removes the ads from the page. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20040312/25b471c7/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:18:21 +0100 > From: Michael Schierl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> > I also get quite some of these: > >> > > >> > java.io.IOException: Premature end of stream > >> > at fiw.fcp.FCPMessage.readMessage(FCPMessage.java:34) > >> > at fiw.fcp.FCPConn.insertStream(FCPConn.java:263) > >> > >> Hmm. Why does fred close his connections prematurely? It's not because > >> you are restarting fred? > > > > I don't think it does. It's probably a socket timeout on FIW's end. > > Hmm. That should give SocketTimeoutException (which is caught > properly), shouldn't it? Does not seem so. > > However, after a few tests (replaced Fred by a simple prog that says > nothing but disconnects on a keypress) i can see that I get an > IOException like the one above when the connection is closed from the > peer, but a ConnectException when I run into a SocketTimeout. Seems to > be some work for me to fix that (in that case it should not mess up > the log file)... > > mihi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:33:31 +0100 > From: Michael Schierl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [freenet-support] Re: slowdom in freeville > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Michael Schierl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > However, after a few tests (replaced Fred by a simple prog that says > > nothing but disconnects on a keypress) i can see that I get an > > IOException like the one above when the connection is closed from the > > peer, but a ConnectException when I run into a SocketTimeout. Seems to > > be some work for me to fix that (in that case it should not mess up > > the log file)... > > St00pid me... The connect exception was caused by my test app which > closed the socket and since FIW reconnects at once, it gave an > error then... The SocketTimeoutException occurring first is (as > expected) not written to the error log file. > > So, this bug is really somewhere inside freenet. Either the accept() > call was not handled quick enough (dunno how accept is called in nio) > or Fred really closes open sockets without having sent any data. > > mihi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:53:08 -0500 > From: "Nicholas Sturm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in > freenet > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Thanks for the info. > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 3/12/2004 10:58:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:09:09PM -0500, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > > > Please provide reference to a good glossary. > > > > > > > > I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum > > > > precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an > > > > untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely. > > > > > > Is sandbox just Linux term or does it have broader application? > > > > It basically means a sort of virtual computer within the computer, the > > idea being to limit the damage that can be done by untrusted code. An > > example would be, if you download some software that might be useful but > > you don't know whether it is safe, you might run it on a spare PC that > > isn't connected to the others and doesn't do anything else. A sandbox > > does the same thing but in software: you can run untrusted code, in a > > box, where it can't inflict too much harm on the rest of the system. > > User Mode Linux is a popular way to do this on linux, and is used for > > some hosting systems. On Windows... VMWare would be an option, perhaps. > > -- > > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: 12 Mar 2004 19:52:00 -0700 > From: Chris Gentile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [freenet-support] OutOfMemoryError > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > I am also struggling with 5074. > > Here is my freenet.conf: > ipAddress=www.gentilehome.com > listenPort=27882 > seedNodes=seednodes.ref > outputBandwidthLimit=48000 > storeSize=3G > overloadHigh=0.6 > overloadLow=0.4 > > I've got a fast net connection 7mbps downstream 1mbps upstream. > I've got over 2GB in my store. > > After a few hours of stability (6 or so), it stops sending/receiving > significant amounts of data and the CPU sits at 100%. > The memory sits at 150MB and I see these errors in the freenet.log > > Mar 12, 2004 7:14:38 PM (freenet.PeerPacketParser, Network reading > thread, ERROR): Caught java.lang.OutOfMemoryError in > [EMAIL PROTECTED] PeerPacketParser[lengthBuffered=-1, > waitingMessageLength=-1, waitingMessageCurrentBytes=-1, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: > 35405>80.134.44.225:31603,[EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], > [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(a971 6c0e > ce49 3474 7679 8e61 f4e5 67bb f1c3 0cc5)], > sock=[Socket[addr=drumbass.dyndns.org/80.134.44.225,port=31603,localport=35405]], > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/192.168.1.50:35405 > remote=drumbass.dyndns.org/80.134.44.225:31603]], peer=[Peer [DSA(a971 6c0e ce49 > 3474 7679 8e61 f4e5 67bb f1c3 0cc5) @ 80.134.44.225:31603 (1/3)]], > outbound=[true]]].processMessage(buf,86,105,true) > java.lang.OutOfMemoryError > > As per the default start-freenet.sh script, java is being launched with > this switch: -Xmx128m > > > Soooo, what gives? Why can't it live within it's 128MB space? > > > - Chris Gentile > > > Chris Gentile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Highlights from the nodeinfo servlet: > > > > > Node Version > 0.5 > Protocol > Version > STABLE-1.50 > Build Number > 5074 > CVS Revision > 1.90.2.50.2.101 > > > > > > > > > Uptime > > > > > > > > > 5 minutes > > > > > > > > > Load > > > > > > > > > Current > routingTime > 490ms > Current > messageSendTimeRequest > 98ms > Pooled > threads > running jobs > 37 (30.8%) > Pooled > threads > which are > idle > 22 > Current > upstream > bandwidth > usage > 3291 > bytes/second > (6.9%) > Current > estimated > load for > QueryReject > purposes > 30% > Current > estimated > load for > rate > limiting > 49% > Reason for > load: > Load due to > thread limit > = 30.8% > Load due to > routingTime > = 49% = > 49,000% / > 100,000% > > overloadLow > (40%) > Load due to > messageSendTimeRequest = 9.8% = 9,806.5% / 100,000% <= overloadLow (40%) > Load due to > output > bandwidth > limiting = > 5.1% because > outputBytes(197478) <= limit (2304000.034 ) = outLimitCutoff (0.8) * > outputBandwidthLimit (48000) * 60 > Estimated > external > pSearchFailed (based only on QueryRejections due to load): > 8.112998809500744E-5 > Current > estimated > requests per > hour (based > on last 10 > mins): > 1547.0 > Current > global quota > (requests > per hour): > 922.7280194942762 > Highest seen > bytes > downloaded > in one > minute: > 78102 > Current > outgoing > request rate > 3091.0 > > Architecture and > Operating System > > > > > > > > > Architecture > i386 > Available > processors > 1 > Operating > System > Linux > OS Version > 2.4.20-30.9 > > > > > > > > > Java Virtual Machine > > > > > > > > > JVM Vendor > Sun > Microsystems > Inc. > JVM Name > Java > HotSpot(TM) > Client VM > JVM Version > 1.4.2_04-b05 > > > > > > > > > Memory Allocation > > > > > > > > > Maximum > memory the > JVM will > allocate > 130,112 KiB > Memory > currently > allocated by > the JVM > 48,360 KiB > Memory in > use > 35,553,840 > Bytes > Estimated > memory used > by logger > None > Unused > allocated > memory > 13,964,904 > Bytes > > > > > > > > > Data Store > > > > > > > > > Maximum size > 3 GiB > Used space > 2,361,304 > KiB > Free space > 784,424 KiB > Percent used > 75 > Total keys > 5919 > Space used > by temp > files > None > Maximum > space for > temp files > 1,073,741,856 Bytes > Most recent > file access > time > Fri Mar 12 > 19:39:23 MST > 2004 > Least recent > file access > time > Thu Mar 04 > 09:11:26 MST > 2004 > > > > > > > > > Transports > > > > > > > > > Current IPv4 > address > 207.251.177.226 > Current IPv4 > port > 27882 > ARK sequence > number > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:48:06 -0600 (CST) > From: Conrad Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in > freenet > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On 11-Mar-2004 Ian Clarke wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Toad wrote: > >| Unfortunately crawling freenet via HTTP will have the main effect of > >| DoSing your freenet node, because every web download takes up a thread, > >| and we therefore limit parallel HTTP downloads to 24-36. Ideally you'd > >| want a real FCP spider; there must be one out there somewhere. > > > > You can download something which claims to do this from: > > > > http://127.0.0.1:8888/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/spider/5// > > > > I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum > > precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an > > untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely. > > Yes, this is the same spider I use to generate DFI. Actually, I'm using an > earlier version that I've hacked on quite a bit. :-) > > -- > Conrad Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - "In Unix veritas" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:03:09 -0600 (CST) > From: Conrad Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] This error is showing up in my logs a > LOT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On 11-Mar-2004 Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2004, Toad wrote: > > > >> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:46:55 +0000 > >> From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: Christopher Brian Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [freenet-support] This error is showing up in my logs a LOT > >> > >> I'd guess it was a problem with the OS, or the JVM. You can however work > >> around it by setting ipAddress=<my ip address> and ipDetectorInterval=0 > >> in the config file (remove any preceding %'s or #'s first), and of > >> course restarting the node. > > > > The automatic config update checker won't catch this change? > > There's a fair number of configuration options that cannot be changed on the > fly (at least, not yet). You can get a list of the ones that can be changed by > using the --onTheFly switch. -- miguel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
_______________________________________________ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
