On Thursday 17 September 2009 07:41:28 Ancoron Luciferis wrote:
> Evan Daniel wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Matthew Toseland
> > <t...@amphibian.dyndns.org> wrote:
> >> On Monday 14 September 2009 16:46:38 adam rush wrote:
> >>> hey,
> >>>         my name is adam and i believe in what you all are trying to
> >>> accomplish but there is some major things i ran into when i tried using ur
> >>> product. One thing i noticed was when i tried running it, it kept telling 
> >>> me
> >>> i needed java which i updated to the max. why it kept telling me i needed 
> >>> to
> >>> update it i have no idea. maybe you all can tell me why it still wouldnt
> >>> work even after i updated. my second concern is that its a little
> >>> complicated and throws alot at you when ur just a normal joe such as 
> >>> myself
> >>> when you first start up. when i started running the program it started
> >>> giving me all these messeges like im not running the right plug-ins right 
> >>> or
> >>> something along those lines. i didnt know what it was talking about or how
> >>> to fix um so me (bieng the average joe) would get frustrated and quit 
> >>> using
> >>> the program (like i did).
> >>>
> >>> heres my idea,
> >>>
> >>>             what if you guys didnt make it a web browser based program, 
> >>> like
> >>> frostwire, and gave it its own browser. a seprate browser only associated 
> >>> to
> >>> the program so it can be watched by the program. and the downloading 
> >>> client
> >>> would be much more like frostwire so were not trying to figure it out all
> >>> the time and we can enjoy your product better. so the program its self is
> >>> like frostwire but the browser is seprate when we wanna start surfing the
> >>> web. and the last thing is make all im gonna need to run the program be in
> >>> the file when im downloading it for the first time. so i have a once a 
> >>> time
> >>> setup then im done! quick and easy.
> >>>
> >>> tryin to help you out because i believe in what yall are doing,
> >>>
> >>> adam rush
> >>>
> >> The Java problem is well known, enormously serious, and has started to be 
> >> fixed by various vendors. On Windows, the latest version should not have 
> >> this problem; on Mac, OS/X 10.6 fixes the problem, 10.5 update 5 will fix 
> >> it when it eventually is released, on Linux it varies from distro to 
> >> distro (I think it was recently fixed for Ubuntu). We have disabled the 
> >> plugins because of this problem. That breaks a lot of things, making it 
> >> harder to "figure it out", but it should be fixed soon.
> >>
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> >
> > Adam:  Can you tell us what OS and version you're running, what
> > version of Java (including what vendor) you think you have installed,
> > and what version of Java Freenet reports (copy paste the entire "JVM
> > Info" box from your stats page)?
> >
> > About the browser comment: do you object to the browser interface to
> > the node?  Or is it simply that you dislike having the web interface,
> > and also separate programs like Frost?  Would you be happier with it
> > if there was one main interface, and that interface was an improved /
> > expanded version of the current web interface?  If so, do you have
> > specific changes you would like to see to that web interface?  Thanks
> > for the feedback!
> >
> > Toad: Apple has released updates to 10.5.  My 10.5 laptop has
> > installed, through the normal software update process, 1.6.0_15 and
> > 1.5.0_20.  (Freenet seems to default to using 1.5 instead of 1.6, but
> > that's a different problem...)
> >
> > Evan Daniel
> 
> Hint: Java 1.5 is going EOL at October 30th!
> 
> So Freenet should at least after that date default to Java 6.
> Additionally has the OpenJDK being tested already?

OpenJDK runs on OS/X?

1.6 is installed by default on Windows, the 1.5 preference seems to be a mac 
wrapper bug.
> 
> One of the problems Adam talks about is related to the way how the Sun
> Java is installed by default on Windows I think. If you just click
> through it will create a completely new Installation in a separate
> Folder instead of "updating" the installed one. So if Freenet starts up
> the first time before the "update" it will have the Folder of the old
> version (and I bet that folder is just being used after a restart of
> Freenet). So if there is a problem related to the Java version supposed
> to be used it could make sense to present a dialog to the user
> explaining the warning and giving him/her the opportunity to browse for
> another Java installation.

Not our problem, Sun's problem. However one thing it might be is that on 64-bit 
windows we install a 32-bit JVM.
> 
> Most Linux distros (at least debian-based ones) don't have such problems
> because they use symlinks to always point to the latest version of all
> installed Java 6, 1.5, 1.4, ... like this:
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java
> 
> lrwxrwxrwx java-1.5.0-sun -> java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.19
> drwxr-xr-x java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.19
> lrwxrwxrwx java-6-sun -> java-6-sun-1.6.0.16
> drwxr-xr-x java-6-sun-1.6.0.15
> drwxr-xr-x java-6-sun-1.6.0.16
> 
> And ^^ here you see although I update every day my Ubuntu installation
> has already abandoned Java 1.5.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> AncoL

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