On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Evan Daniel <evanbd at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents <m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org> > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > > announcing new identities has problems. > > > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > > Message-ID: > > <D307C15C-56CD-4CC4-9822-3EAF1D0CAC8F at > cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > > V2Gd4> > > > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > > by a program than a human. > > > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > > people with vision impairments. > > > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to > no > > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > > > Which brings me to #2. > > > > How about some feedback? > > > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them > with > > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > > a new one. > > > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > > anyway to make a point. > > > > - -- > > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: N/A > > > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > > =l+8j > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. > > There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew > what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously > human. > > You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the > thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm > playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code > always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so > it probably won't get posted for a while yet. > > In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post > easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, > I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and > don't notice :D > > I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can > make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a > bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're > willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. > > Evan Daniel >
Addendum 1: The same offer is open to anyone competent to write an email that gets past my spam filter. Include your FMS Id and I'll announce it with a trust rating of 50. Offer valid until someone decides to be an asshat and abuse it. Addendum 2: There is a potential identity leak if you run customized easier captchas and have multiple identities. I believe I have a solution locally, but you're on your own on this one. Evan Daniel
