'This is stretching the actual facts a bit too much to be left unchallenged.'
Ok. staying with the 'provocative' though true idea. I see your 'challenge', but see nothing in your post to contradict my suggestions. (or assertions if you like). Now if Mac OS is a belief system for you, IE knowing the 'truth' with no need for boring unwanted proof, then I'm sorry to waste your time ... .. . . . . Now for sure I'm not saying .wav is the only format for all time. But i do maintain the basic Wav structure was far better layed out & more to the point, shared, than say AIFF and then Wav got 'extended', building on the well stated idea of 'mandatory' chunks (Eg info) supplemented by various other chunks going from well defined or near universal, down to overt 'private chunks'. The basic rule is if a chunk is not understood, ignore it - the basic Wav'ness means the file will still play just fine. 'The WAV format was compromised in its early years by mutually incompatible 'extensions', created by various software houses mainly for multichannel (> 2 channels), but also for plain mono and stereo.' Sorry this is Nonsense. The absolute worst that can happen is the 'new stuff' is not understood & may even be 'played' as a 'splat'. [where software developers haven't bothered to read the Wav specs]. I know only too well, as a developer of the session conversion app, AATranslator, that even where formats are well documented & widely available, many dev's choose to ignore the 'spec' (& it seems the 'Big players' piss' on standards more than most & yeh therefore because of their Commercial significance, effectively can re-define any 'standard'. And yes i admit this 'corruption' will be more common for the most significant OS. However Mac apps on the other hand regularly wreck a BWF chunk. (which is vital to most Film /TV work). Or some Mac apps attempt to add that which is basic to wav, and not in the 'archaic' AIFF spec, & add a 'timestamp'. But the chance of this being read by an app other than that which created it, is near to zero. CAF As I said this may be the 'true way', but basically, IMO, it's yet another attempt by Apple to create yet another format 'the other lot can't read'. JL ----- Original Message ----- From: Fons Adriaensen To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 03:51:03AM -0000, John Lundsten wrote: > Well as approx 98% of computers are PC's, whatever the merits > of CAF (beyond ticking the 'box' this is different to what is > available on a PC) it would be totally unsuitable to the OP. > > And yes for sure the RIFF Wav (with Wav extensible) has the > cool chan mapping features CAF has, and very much as on a Mac, > hardly anyone has bothered to implement it. > > IMO if one wants to store so called linear PCM, use WAV. All > other formats offer less & only exist for (a) backward compatibility > for which I have no problem or (b) to screw the customer, which > I find obnoxious. This is stretching the actual facts a bit too much to be left unchallenged. In fact, WAV is the one that exists for backwards compatibility only. The WAV format was compromised in its early years by mutually incompatible 'extensions', created by various software houses mainly for multichannel (> 2 channels), but also for plain mono and stereo. There are even today lots of those around. Microsoft was partly to blame for this by leaving some parts of the spec rather ambiguous. The result was chaos. Anyway, MS has officially deprecated multichannel WAV for ages now, and the WAVEX format was created to clean up the mess. Everything having more than 2 channels can't be WAV, it must be WAVEX. This has the same filename extension so you wouldn't normally notice. Mono or stereo WAV files are still accepted by official MS applications for the simple reason that there are so many of those around. At the moment, CAF is the only format I know of that doesn't drag a history of outdated junk behind it, that is 64-bit safe (WAV and WAVEX are not), and future-proof. Ciao, -- FA Vor uns liegt ein weites Tal, die Sonne scheint - ein Glitzerstrahl. _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1869 / Virus Database: 2101/4638 - Release Date: 11/25/11 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20111126/ebe4df5d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
