folks i just looked out of my window and it is 1975! Wireless World gave up waiting for the third part of MAG's article and started publishing somebody called Ivor Catt, who wanted to fight Maxwell in single combat. umashankar
i have published my poems. read (or buy) at http://stores.lulu.com/umashankar > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:40:31 -0700 > From: gre...@math.ucla.edu > To: sursound@music.vt.edu > Subject: Re: [Sursound] OT: Spatial music > > > I disagree with this. I suppose for some things like > pop vocals that do not have a natural acoustic venue > surrounding them, surround is not helpful. > But for large scaled acoustic music like orchestral > music(which of course some people here would > dismiss as a niche market) it really does help > generate a better facsimile of the real experience. > The problem is that practically none of the commercial > material available does it right. > But anyone who knows anything about acoustics > knows that the concert experience of orchestral > music has a very large amount of diffuse field sound > involved--in energy terms, there is more diffuse field > than direct arrival at most audience locations, quite > a lot more. The precidence effect to some extent > conceals this fact from people who listen superficially. > But the reality is that stereo presentation of orchestral > music is very much wrong. It can be pleasing, even beautiful, > but it is always wrong. > > Surround can be right, or closer to right. But it usually is not, > actually, as it is currently practiced. > > In most cases, you would be better off to take a stereo > recording and make it into surround yourself. > > Quite disappointing situation, actually. > But then people in contemporary High End audio do not > seem to want to think about how music actually works in concert. > It is not that the information is not available. I wrote > this > http://www.regonaudio.com/Records%20and%20Reality.html > more than twenty-five years ago in The Absolute Sound. > But not very many people seemed to understand the essential > message--that a LOT of what you hear in concert ie > diffuse field reverberation. > People should have been trying to figure out how > to generate that effect at home all along, but they > mostly were not. And they still are not. They are > worrying about other things entirely. > > Robert > > On Fri, 13 Apr 2012, newme...@aol.com wrote: > > > Ronald: > > > >> Wrong. They would want it, if they ever heard it. > > > > Sorry. I've heard surround and it's just not good enough to matter -- for > > MUSIC. > > > > I've heard "Dark Side" and I've heard "Kind of Blue" . . . and most of the > > rest of the SACD and DVD-A releases. Some are fabulous, some are not but > > none of it was enough. Good try. Experiment failed. > > > > I've recorded with Tetramics and I've set up an HSD 3D system, on which I > > enjoyed the 3RD DIMENSION of music -- height -- but none of this is enough. > > > > Amibsonics (i.e. FOA) is fabulous for AMBIENCE but, alas, not for MUSIC > > (due to the lack of frontal emphasis) and c'mon . . . we all know it. > > > > The reason why Ambisonics hasn't succeeded -- after all this time -- for > > MUSIC is that it's not *good* enough to make a difference. > > > > > > That's why the HOA "debates" happened. Smart people with well-trained > > ears KNOW that FOA isn't good enough. > > > > > > It has nothing to do with MAG or the British government or bad timing or > > bad business decisions -- it doesn't *improve* the listening to MUSIC enough > > for people to care. Seems that Apple also figured that out. > > > > I also know many people in the music *business* and they also heard it > > (indeed, spent a lot of money on it) and have universally come to the same > > conclusion. > > > > Case closed. > > > > Mark Stahlman > > Brooklyn NY > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120413/bb8fc69a/attachment.html> > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > Sursound@music.vt.edu > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120413/e86702af/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
