Hi Howard,
About "16-Bit OS clients dealing with Graphics/NewsGroups", then
"Access to this mail-list thru a .QWK Off-Line Mail Reader" of January
27 and 28, respectively:
DB> ...Arachne lacks USENET...
MS> ...perhaps you happen to still use `Arachne' to access the graphic
MS> contents of the Net and if that's so, perhaps you also know of a few
MS> 16-Bit tools for graphic editing as well?
HE> I found the following free programs useful: piclab, improces...
HE> ...at R. Green's freeware site. Piclab should be on Simtel/Garbo.
That's right. I could find the related archives from the Garbo and
Green ~WEB~ sites, i thank you! :) It was there, more specifically at:
ftp://ftp.tu-dresden.de/pub/soft/SimTel/msdos/graphics/piclb193.zip
(i find those northern European people have speedy mirror sites)
ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/graphics/improc42.zip
(a favourite too)...
What's more, your mention about Green lead to http://dosware.nfo.sk
and that's where i got `GraphX v2.00', which is the closest thing to the
well known `Windows' BitMap Paint tool that i ever seen (i mean, not for
its user interface but for the grid-size & ease of use). `GfX2b965.ZIP'
is only 472 Kb in size, that's less than the two others put together and
i gain much much more in conviviality, appart from some 32 Kilo-Bytes...
8-)
I'm still learning, i go from `PainBrush' to `GrafX' and back again
with a stop at `Grapics VP Delux v3.5' which offers a posterize function
that i find to be user-frienly - and i like this later feature a lot: i
love its preview option!... I'm starting to get there, i'm now having a
set of graphics with color palettes which look like what i need more and
more; poterizing seems to reject unused colors and i get more shades, i
even began to experiment with palette/true-color format conversions. :)
Among other features i found interesting, `GifWeb' has no bitmap tool of
its own but it can remove the transparency flag, a problem for me when i
use `PaintBrush' (i like it for cutting the graphic to size)... Before,
i had to UpLoad the file and to visit TransWEB (www.mit.edu:8001/tweb/)!
%-o
`Image Magician v1.4' has multiple nag screens but it works and one
might use it to pickup the colour of an individual pixel and copy it for
addition to a palette. Now that i'm starting to put the puzzle together
it has come to me that i should create a sample graphic using the colors
which i selected inside `Image Magician' and then i might want to see if
posterizing to 16 bits will get me a graphic file with a range of shaded
greys with all-purpose colours to go with it (might be a good Start?)...
`PicLab' is precious to me since it's available as an `XT' program,
`ImProces' would be nice on a LEGACY machine (with ~CGA~) but i'm afraid
i'm in love with `GrafX' at the moment... and source-code is available;
i wouldn't try to "enhance" its code but i may like it better in French!
;-)
MS> ...i finally decided to check the SoftCon ~WEB~ site...
JD> If you connect to a unix shell...
MS> ...i don't. Howard has a "Shell" access... If there's a person i
MS> know who can fully appreciate your suggetion that may be him.
HE> ...the NCF is limited... I have dialup and SSH access to the unix
HE> command line with my local ISP (magma.ca) and via telnet at nyx.net.
Well, with these secrets unleashed i now have a better perspective.
:)
I visited the shellworld.net and freeshell.org ~WEB~ pages, i guess
i can add nyx.net to the list (i'll put them on my own site eventually)!
8-)
HE> MultiMail can read SOUP... ...SOUP packets can be created using the
HE> x_spool utility... If you use another transfer program, you...
MS> This suggestion seems to be promising enough to be investigated. I
MS> notice you mentioned importing from the "Unix MailBox" format...
HE> A unix mailbox or folder is more or less a plain text file where
HE> each message begins with "From ....." (not From: ...).
Oups! Then i'm afraid it won't be an easy ride. Look what i have:
********************************************************[ `Commo.CAP' ]*
Return-Path: <...>
Received: from...
Received: from...
Message-Id: <...>
Date: ...
From: "..." <...> <-.
Subject: ... |
To: ...@... |
|
...[message body]... |
. |
**********************************************************************|*
.----------------------------------'
I'm forced to conclude that this probably isn't what i'd need! :-(
The `NetMail for DOS v2.12' documentation mentions Unix and my very
limited experience of Unix made me notice the terminating dot but that's
not making this ~TelNet~ capture a "Unix MailBox" message, i guess. %-)
HE> ...I don't see the point in converting them to SOUP...
I'd rather not myself. Essentially, the .QWK interface lists those
messages individually, in sorted order and with color-coded areas... It
is much less distracting for me because i don't get to manage everything
with `Multi-Mail', or some other suitable ~OLMR~ and BBS door... I tend
to forget the things (which i wanted to do) with the present format. :(
Euh... Actually, i can think of even more basic considerations: i
just get less time for the contents while i'm kept busy with the medium.
HE> ...in Linux, I use... ...ztelnet...
MS> Would you think it's capable of "sharing" a ~TelNet~ session with my
MS> old friend `Kermit' (or `C-Kermit' in that case, might i say)?...
HE> External file transfer protocols can also be used...
If both the ~TelNet~ and `ZMoDem' protocols are internal but with a
provision for external file transfer protocols such as `C-Kermit' then i
wouldn't be surprized if the later only works for DialUp calls... I can
understand that `ZTelNet' is very much like `MiniCOM', unless it will be
possible to use it as a ~TelNet~ "shim" for something like`C-Kermit' and
in that case that would make it a lot more interresting in my eye. As i
wrote, with `MiniCOM' i must also have a Vitual ~TelNet MoDem "shim" but
you seem to make a distinction as to what `ZTelNet' actually is and that
makes me ask you this other question: what's this `ZTelNet', precisely?
:^o
HE> ...<http://www.ncf.ca/~ag221/>...
Ho, i wanted you to know that i checked your "DOS TCP/IP Resources"
link awhile ago (resource.html) and i'm sorry to say that the "I live in
Siberia" link (http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8926506/siberia.htm) is down.
Luckily for me, i have a few copies of this instructive document...
:)
I recall it was on your site that i discovered it for the 1st time,
it's only natural that i let you know about this unfortunate finding!...
I wish you to have a nice day! and the same goes for every body!!!
Salutations, :)
www.michel.samson.as
a/s Bicephale
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