On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:15:00AM -0500, Michel Samson wrote:

>      ftp://ftp.tu-dresden.de/pub/soft/SimTel/msdos/graphics/piclb193.zip
>       (i find those northern European people have speedy mirror sites)
>
>      ftp://garbo.uwasa.fi/pc/graphics/improc42.zip
>       (a favourite too)...
>
>      `PicLab' is precious to me since it's available as an `XT' program,
> `ImProces' would be nice on a LEGACY machine (with ~CGA~) but i'm afraid
> i'm in love with `GrafX' at the moment...  and source-code is available;
> i wouldn't try to "enhance" its code but i may like it better in French!

Bonjour Michel,

I used Piclab for cutting after adding text with Improces. I also
have Grafx installed, but found it a bit too much for the simple
editing I was doing.

> HE> A unix mailbox or folder is more or less a plain text file where
> HE> each message begins with "From ....." (not From: ...).
>
> ****************************************************[ `Commo.CAP' ]*
> Return-Path: <...>
> Received: from...

>   I'm forced to conclude that this probably isn't what i'd need!  :-(

You don't have the "From..." line because you are capturing the
messages. A POP client (uka_ppp, NetMail, Ka9q, etc.) would add
it when it delivered the message to your PC. You could probably
add your own by changing the "Return-Path:".

>      The `NetMail for DOS v2.12' documentation mentions Unix and my very
> limited experience of Unix made me notice the terminating dot but that's
> not making this ~TelNet~ capture a "Unix MailBox" message, i guess.  %-)

As far as I know, the terminating dot is never transmitted.

> HE> ...I don't see the point in converting them to SOUP...
>
>      I'd rather not myself.  Essentially, the .QWK interface lists those
> messages individually, in sorted order and with color-coded areas...

Most Internet mailreaders do this with the messages in text format.
I have converted QWK to text and used a mailreader to read Fidonet
(creating the .REP for replies is the tricky part).

[Linux]
> I can
> understand that `ZTelNet' is very much like `MiniCOM', unless it will be
> possible to use it as a ~TelNet~ "shim" for something like`C-Kermit' and
> in that case that would make it a lot more interresting in my eye.  As i
> wrote, with `MiniCOM' i must also have a Vitual ~TelNet MoDem "shim" but
> you seem to make a distinction as to what `ZTelNet' actually is and that
> makes me ask you this other question:  what's this `ZTelNet', precisely?

Ztelnet is a tcp/ip client. It is just like standard telnet except
that it has built-in zmodem. Like other tcp/ip programs, it doesn't
require a "shim" to use the OS's native tcp/ip.

Minicom is a serial communications program with built-in zmodem (and
kermit?). It may be possible to use minicom as a telnet client using
a "shim", but I don't see the need. If a ztelnet-like program existed
for DOS, I wouldn't find it necessary to use a "shim" + comm program
for telnet.

> HE>  ...<http://www.ncf.ca/~ag221/>...
>
>      Ho, i wanted you to know that i checked your "DOS TCP/IP Resources"
> link awhile ago (resource.html) and i'm sorry to say that the "I live in
> Siberia" link (http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8926506/siberia.htm) is down.
>
>      Luckily for me, i have a few copies of this instructive document...

I think there are probably a few more dead links on my page. I'm
not sure if I saved the document, but I know I still have the .gif
of the walking polar bear. :-)

Howard E.

--
<http://www.ncf.ca/~ag221/>

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