Hi Howard,

     About "16-Bit OS, dealing with Graphics and this mail-list" of
January 30:

MS> ...i'm in love with `GrafX' at the moment...  and source-code is
MS> available...
HE> I used Piclab for cutting after adding text with Improces.  I also
HE> have Grafx installed, but found it a bit too much for the simple
HE> editing I was doing.

     We find ourselves at opposite poles of a same spectrum.  I couldn't
get `PicLab' or `ImProces' to work but i was using `GrafX' in minutes...

                                  %*)

HE> A unix mailbox...  ...begins with "From ....." (not From: ...).
MS> I'm forced to conclude that this probably isn't what i'd need!
HE> You don't have the "From..." line because you are capturing the
HE> messages.  A POP client (uka_ppp, NetMail, Ka9q, etc.) would add it
HE> when it delivered the message to your PC.

     I compared both the `NetMail for DOS v2.12' files with my `{Commo}'
capture files and it seems they're just the same, including the headers.

HE> ...I don't see the point in converting them to SOUP...
MS> I'd rather not myself.  Essentially, the .QWK interface lists those
MS> messages individually, in sorted order and with color-coded areas...
HE> Most Internet mailreaders do this with the messages in text format.
HE> ...creating the .REP for replies is the tricky part...

     I take notice.

MS> I can understand that `ZTelNet' is very much like `MiniCOM', unless
MS> it will be possible to use it as a ~TelNet~ "shim"...
HE> It is just like standard telnet except that it has built-in zmodem.

     And it has support for external file transfer protocols as well, as
i recall your previous post...  Since the ~TelNet~ protocol is built-in,
and the `ZMoDem' protocol with it, either there's also support to access
a HardWare Modem thru a serial-port or it can work as a "socket", if you
prefer, so that any external protocol driver is actually usefull...  :^)

HE> If a ztelnet-like program existed for DOS, I wouldn't find it
HE> necessary to use a "shim" + comm program for telnet.

     `MS-Kermit' accesses, euh...  the ~TCP~/~IP~ stack (?) directly and
`IVT' does this as well but then one gets `ZMoDem', instead of `Kermit'.

     `MiniCOM' doesn't include `ZMoDem' nor `C-Kermit' but i thought the
Virtual ~TelNet~ MoDem "shim" would have made them happy side-by side...
I believe `C-Kermit' is just like its DOS counterpart, that's a terminal
but a guy can also use it as any external file transfer protocol driver.

MS> ...sorry to say that the "I live in Siberia" link...  ...is down.
HE> I think there are probably a few more dead links on my page.

     Well, it won't have to be anymore since there's an alternative.  :)

                                             Salutations,

                                             www3.sympatico.ca/bicephale
                                             a/s Bicephale


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