"Michel Samson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [...]
> BG> ...but there are at least three well established mostly-free shell
> BG> account services with telnet access.  arbornet.org  ...
>
>      Oh!  A new one that i can add to my list, thanks very much Bob!  :>

Arbornet has proven to be a very nice surprise. Very flexible, so long as
you can do what you want to do on their system.

> BG> cyberspace.org  ...
>
>      Hummm...  Wouldn't that be the one with .HTMl games!?  I thought it
> was closed down a couple years ago?  But as you wrote:  "come and go"...

I was able to get on as of a few days ago. So far, so good! Their FAQ
includes:

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* What is Grex?

Grex is a public-access computer conferencing system in Ann Arbor, Michigan,
USA. It is cooperatively owned and operated, and is
supported entirely by donations from users. All staff members are
volunteers.

* What can I do on this system?

Grex provides all of the following services for free.

  o Electronic conferencing using "PicoSpan" or "Backtalk"
  o Internet e-mail using "mail", "elm", "pine" or "mh"
  o Browse the web in text mode using "lynx"
  o Access to usenet via "lynx" to the dejanews web site
  o Multichannel real-time chat using "party"
  o Free text-only web site hosting.
  o On-line games, including "Nethack"
  o Access to a Unix shell account, with all standard commands
  o Access to the C/C++ compiler, assembler, and other development tools

However, Grex does not provide any of the following services at all:

  o Download areas
  o Mailing lists
  o Bots (for IRC or anything else)
  o Graphical web page hosting
  o A place to store files

And there are a few things you can only do if you are a member (who has made
a donation and sent ID). These are

  o Vote in Grex elections.
  o Serve on the board of Cyberspace Communications.
  o Access telnet, ftp, and irc sites from Grex.
  o Access web sites running on unusual ports, via lynx from Grex.

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> BG> sdf.lonestar.org  ...requires a "mini-donation"...
>
>      I remember i've been there before but the need to visit a financial
> institution kills any of the chances it had to get me hooked.  Sorry!...

They've tried to make it not too onerous. A check is acceptable, or a
notarized note with the $1 donation. They just want something to prove
there's a live body at the other end, and a way of holding users
accountable. Fair enough, but I can understand the discomfort. I STILL need
to get that dollar bill in the mail. :)

> [...]
>      Euh...  And i'm not certain there aren't other solutions at hand...

Hell, if somebody on this list just wants to try a shell account, let me
know what you need and I may be able to set you up on one of my Linux boxes.
Of course, this is on a LIMITED basis, and I'll nudge folks towards a more
full time solution... something they'll consider as I reboot throughout the
day. (It's my lab server. :)

- Bob

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