Bob:

I have sent a request to Don for his list of applications, and,
requested permission to post to the discussion list too.

John Oram

Bob George wrote:
>
> On Friday 02 August 2002 02:33 am, Heimo Claasen wrote:
> > As I threatened already to take up this thread... here comes a first
> > one, which touches two salient points: viability of non-M$ OSs and
> > applications, and free alternatives to M$ apps in the "business"
> > environment.
> >
> > [...]
> > --------------------quote:--------------
> > [...], however the answer to the problem of
> > ever escalating application software overheads is not as simple as
> > tossing Windows in the trash and installing Linux or a Mac. Both
> > these platforms suffer from a lack of suitable business applications
>
> A valid comment re: Linux (IMO). I'm following (and trying) the
> OpenOffice suite, and it IS a nice package. Sun certainly seems
> committed to supporting it. However, there certainly isn't the full
> range available for Linux, at least not today. It seems to me that the
> viability of Linux for any given situation really depends on specific
> applications required.
>
> > [...], and Linux is still far too 'geeky' for the
> > average desktop user (one day RedHat and Gnome will realise that the
> > 'foot' and other paraphernalia are not welcomed by the average
> > business user who prefers quality business-looking graphics on a
> > computer desktop)
>
> I've seen some pretty hideous X desktops, and not everyone has perfect
> vision. Anyone building a Linux (or other) distribution for business
> should keep away from the clutter and reliance on cramming too much
> onto the desktop. SIMPLICITY is an advantage for business.
>
> >  ... plus the cost of retraining desktop users to
> > Linux is still far higher than the cost of purchasing additional
> > Windows licenses,
>
> IF a company standardizes on a Linux distribution and takes a "business"
> approach to deployment, much of the complexity can be hidden. Speaking
> from having done training and managed training operations for 8 years
> or so, I'd want to see the details behind those numbers though. Most
> "Windows training" is on a specific app, and OS training is usually
> only an intro to the VERY MINIMAL needed to use a system. But yes, the
> point about the training costs associated with ANY conversion away from
> an existing set of tools is costly (and often overlooked).
>
> > especially considering that nowadays computer
> > bundling packages usually provide the Windows OS for free...
>
> Ow. Not "free", you just can't take it out!
>
> The article is great, and I've always enjoyed shareware/freeware. It
> sounds like they've found some great tools. However, I'm wondering if
> just buying new apps will truly suffice for meeting what the author
> describes. If you're still dependent on Windows as the underlying OS,
> you'll be under pressure from Microsoft to update. BUSINESS PLANNERS
> need to take into account that their OS will quickly move into
> "unsupported" status if they don't update -- and thus get entangled in
> the licensing  problems they're hoping to avoid. (These business
> factors are probably OT for this list -- sorry.)
>
> The wealth of alternative apps is a real boon for home users (and thus
> this list) in any case.
>
> Heimo, are you going to get Don's list?
>
> - Bob
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