Hello Charles,

Sunday, September 21, 2003, 7:15:36 PM, you wrote:

CA> This has been said about opensource very frequently.  The implications are
CA> that Microsoft hires people who are not "very sharp".  I tend to doubt this.
CA> The fact that the source code is available for these 'very sharp' people to
CA> develop the software also means the source code is available to be
CA> examined for flaws by the malicious programmers who need that info
CA> to violate the software.

Oops... I did not explain myself well enough. The operative word was
supposed to be 'a lot'... not 'sharp'. Microsoft indeed does hire
sharp people, but they cannot possibly hire as many people for a
project that is going to run within a specified period of time, as the
Open Source community can get involved in a venture independently,
over an open-ended period of time.

Also, in spite of MS hiring sharp people, they are all hired by people
with the same general ethic, and method of deciding who will make a
good employee, with 'team player' being high on the list. ( I know
more than a few people who have both worked for and been rejected by
MS, over the years, and have been privy to numerous renditions what of
the interview process is like)

I think that the 'like-mindedness' which the company's hiring
practices wind up with, in their employees, might be detrimental to
the code development and debugging process, because it would wind up
with a more 'single-perspective work pool, than might otherwise be the
case.

Also, in any large corporation like MS, there is a tendency for upper
echelon decision makers not to want to hear 'bad new'... especially as
a release deadline nears, and for lower echelon drones, operating in
'survival mode', not to want to buck the system, by going public with
'bad news', if they see that the honchos are going to bury it.

I think that Microsoft's past behaviour where security flaws...
especially with their IIS and SQL Data Base are concerned, are good
examples of this.

CA> BSD does have a reputation for being 'secure' but as John has said
CA> that might be only because BSD is used even less than Linux is used
CA> making it less attractive to those who wish to draw attention to their
CA> ability to do harm.

FreeBSD Server 4.8 Stable is very widely used... I do not have
figures, but it has been a mainstay for website hosting, and large
ISP-type operations, and other Internet appliances, for a long time,
as were its predecessors... the line is about 10 years old, and the
code it is bases on, is about 30 years old.

I am pretty sure that eBay uses FreeBsd 4.8 stable.

It's not a desktop appliance, and I doubt if it ever will be... Linux,
which is already much more user friendly, is much more focused on that
niche... but FreeBSD... especially the secure version... is the kind
of app that banks and power supply stations choose.

CA> This is one solution that seems obvious but isn't.  According to recent
CA> reports even Microsoft 'hid' behind some rented Linux servers for awhile
CA> to stop MSBLAST from bringing down their servers not using Linux.

Well... I'm just learning about setting up a 'gateway'... which is
what I want the 'firewall box' to be... with two completely discrete
networks running on it. One network... a LAN, will be the gateway box,
and all computers inside my home environment, and the other network...
a WAN, will be the gateway box, my web server, and the Internet
itself. Heh. If this doesn't make complete sense... that is because I
am not yet completely up to speed on what I am talking about.<g>

CA> I really don't think any recent version of Linux would be easy to get
CA> working on an i386 and by the time you get around to this it will be
CA> difficult to find an i386 the capacitors haven't dried out on.  A 'lesser'
CA> machine of whatever that would be at the time (early Pentium?) is
CA> certainly a possibility but "386" is becoming only a memory in the
CA> real world.

I just tossed out '386'... however, there are plenty of Linuxes, both
older and newer versions, that would run on a 386 processor. Peanut
Linux would be a good choice.

Here is the URL to a fellow name Doyle McClennan's website page,
listing all the the various versions of Linux that he sells, with
links to informational pages for each distro.

FreeBSD will run on a 386 processor, too. I have about a dozen 286 and
8086/8087 boxes that are still running fine, and get occasional light
use, as word processors, or for playing with early versions of
software, that cannot run correctly on later processors.

Heh! You should see early versions of Leisuresuit Larry, when they run
on a 486 box.....zzzzoooooooommmmmmm!

-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
-weblog http://radio.weblogs.com/0128450/
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