as countries like china develop, I believe his figures might end up being
conservative. He knows his topic, and is a respected scientist. Doesn't make
him right, but does lend credence to what he says.


Steve Spence
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----- Original Message -----
From: "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!!


>
> This article makes the Malthusian error of assuming that a quantity will
> continue to grow along a simple exponential, when in fact real living
> systems always level off through interaction with others.
>
> Using the same simplistic, pseudo-scientific arguments, one can easily
> "prove" that Mankind is already extinct.
>
> Very silly - and discredits the idea of resource conservation when the
> kids realize that the argument is bogus. Glad I didn't have this guy for
> a teacher.
>
> Marc de Piolenc
>
> Message: 4
>    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:29:54 +1200
>    From: "David  Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)
>
> Todd,
>          A good article and one everyone on this group should read. I
> recently said it is estimated that if we keep finding oil at the same
> rate
> it is estimated that we have a 70 year supply but that I believe we
> could
> halve that with the increasing number of vehicles and countries like
> China
> coming on stream. While I have never sat down and done the maths the
> examples below show that I may not be too far off the mark.
> B.r.,  David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 2:00 AM
> Subject: [biofuel] We don't need no stinking efficiency!!!! (?)
>
>
> > New York Times, OP-ED, June 4, 2001
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/04/opinion/04NERI.html
> >
> > The Mirage of a Growing Fuel Supply
> > By EVAR D. NERING
> >
> > COTTSDALE, Ariz. - When I discussed the exponential function in the
> > first-semester calculus classes that I taught, I invariably used
> consumption
> > of a nonrenewable natural resource as an example. Since we are now
engaged
> > in a national debate about energy policy, it may be useful to talk about
> the
> > mathematics involved in making a rational decision about resource use.
>
>
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