Hey Keith,

On that note, it would be great to pull together a table to get prices
around the US/World for BD.  Prices need to be verified by a scanned
reciept or picture of the pump though.  It would help people to decide if
they want to buy or produce themselves based just on pump cost.

James Slayden



On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote:

> Hi Thor and MM
> 
> > >WOW!!  That's news to me.  Where does BD cost around
> > >$1.50?  I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that
> > >hurts).
> 
> Sorry Thor, I see that was an industry figure I checked, not a "pump"
> figure. But I think somebody has said they're buying commercial brew
> for $2. Somebody else quoted $1.75, but that was B20. Still, you're
> paying much less than most people in the world pay for their fuel.
> American fuel is much to cheap!
> 
> Graham Noyes at World Energy never did tell their costings, but we
> did learn that last year they were offering producers $0.85 per
> gallon. So the retail price is +200%?
> 
> > >I know you're going to tell me to start brewing my
> > >own--and you're right.
> 
> No, I wouldn't say that, depends on your circumstances, and your
> preferences. But if you think I'd be right then I guess you'll get
> round it when you can. :-)
> 
> > >But I am curious if you have
> > >info on regional pricing for biodiesel.
> 
> Not offhand, I'll see if I come across anything.
> 
> >Even if one brews one's own, one should put a value on one's time and
> >materials costs.  I realize that there are many who don't put as high
> >a value on "division of labor" as others, but I am just pointing this
> >out.  I do not assign a cost of zero to my own time or labor in doing
> >things on my own that I'd rather consider paying someone else to do.
> 
> Todd's done costings for a batch-processing set-up that includes
> everything, labour, rents, utilitities, insurance, maintenance and
> truck lease for collection, etc, for a 3,000 gpd facility generating
> 1,050,000 gallons a year, cost of production well under $0.60 a
> gallon.
> 
> On a smaller scale, Chuck Ranum, for instance, seems to spend not
> more than a few seconds per gallon making his biodiesel. He tells the
> pump to add the methoxide, then he goes away, comes back later. Dale
> sits and watches if he wants to. Ian just switches it on and comes
> back every now and then, makes it once a month. Aleks and his pal Mat
> usually hang around but don't take much notice, get on with other
> things.
> 
> The process itself and all its various steps might take time, but it
> needn't take you time. Once you set it up properly there's not that
> much to do.
> 
> Best
> 
> Keith
> 
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