> Damian:
>
> Air car runs by expanding the compressed air, releasing cool air(nice for
> the passengers)
>
> http://www.theaircar.com/howitworks.html
>
> Check above for how it works! Need electricity or solar power to
compress
> the air and use as fuel for the aircar.
> But wave your hands in the air, all over there is your renewable energy.
> Compress and expand, compress and expand
>
> It's all still air, there are everywhere!
> BioDiesel still needs to produce from another forms, either cooking oil or
> veggie oil.
> But the company is not doing big scale of production, so could not even
> experiment on the air car.
> Just like Crysler Damler bought GEM, maybe a big car company can buy the
> patent or the engine.
>
> They can build their own cars by using this new engine, air compressors
are
> easy. Have one at home, but gas
> stations can also sell these compressed air at pump! But the storage
> equipment will be expensive for compressed air
> or the future Hydrogen fuel.
>
> (Following comments are from a friend in related talk. These web sites
may
> be helpful to you!)
>
> Hydrogen for cars is still very distant, no matter what anyone says. The
> problem is we need a Hydrogen fuel delivery infrastructure, and it should
be
> produced at the site of each station with wind or solar (or geothermal).
It
> is also stored under very high pressure or in liquid form at very low
> temperatures...and though they have made advancements for the fuel
> container, it is still under inspection over the long term. The other
issue
> is that pure oxygen that is produced can be VERY volatile. Pure oxygen is
> the more dangerous than hydrogen, and resulted in the only astronaut
deaths
> in the Apollo program. They stopped using pure oxygen after Apollo 1 fire
> that killed the astronauts.
>
> The car companies want us to believe they are moving in the direction of
> hydrogen cars, but my view is that it is a way to continue to make the
large
> gasoline and diesel machines for a longer time. You will see that in the
> next 20 years very few hydrogen cars will be made... In the meantime,
> battery advancement is very rapid and encouraging. Fully electric
bicycles
> will easily reach 100 miles within the next 2 years, and hybrid electric
> vehicles have no limits to range.
>
> I believe the best sollution is a combination of NiZn primary battery, and
> Zn air secondary battery. With zinc air, we can have "zinc cartridge"
> replacement stations like we now have gas stations. Drive up and the
> attendant will slide the spent cartidge out and replace with re-charged
> cartridge.
> http://www.metallicpower.com/refuel.htm
> http://www.electric-fuel.com/techno/battery.html
> A good size wind generator could easily power the replacement station
> charging, and excess power could be used to make hydrogen. The hydrogen
> could then be stored in a metal, and I encourage you to check this very
> important company. All NiMh batteries are based on this company's patent,
> as is recordable CD and DVD, and the Uni-Solar product. The same NiMh
> battery concept is a way to store hydrogen in metal for using in a fuel
cell
> application (instead of high pressure or liquid containers). I believe
this
> is smarter for most applications.
> http://www.ovonic.com/ecdbkgd.html
> If there is no wind, electricity could be produced on site with direct
> natural gas fuel cells, which create much less CO-2 than gas fired
generator
> plants. The traditional power plants are many miles from the cities and
> loose much power in transmission. They also cannot be turned off at
night,
> so they sell the power very cheap at night to car dealers, mines,
> factories...who waste it. Fuel cell power plants are MORE efficient when
> you feed less gas...the opposite of the combustion power plants.
> This company is a very good investment, as they are the only ones with
this
> size plant and supplying to Los Angeles Power, Japanese companies, and
> German companies (Daimler Benz is a major investor in this company)
> http://www.fce.com/
>
> It will be a combination of various technologies. Fuel Cell power plants
> and Zinc based batteries I am almost certain will grow in popularity. Lead
> will continue to be a key player in the short term. I do not believe the
> vehicles that use hydrogen will produce the hydrogen on board from
methanol
> or ethanol as the car companies have said. Too many complications and
> expenses with this approach...but I may be wrong if they can perfect the
> direct ethanol cell that does not require converting to hydrogen first. I
> mention ethanol instead of methanol, because methanol is poisonous and
will
> kill, so it is better to have ethanol if possible.
> The most favored fuel cell for automobiles in my view is the following
> company, which produced already from General Motors.
> http://www.globalte.com
> The solid oxide is more efficient than the membrane type, and would
require
> no reformation of hydrocarbon fuels into pure hydrogen, as Ballard is now
> doing for Ford, Chrysler. If you do not have absolutely pure hydrogen,
the
> membranes become contaminated and are destroyed, so it is better to use
> hydrocarbon as a feed stock to a fuel cell that does not have a
> membrane...like the solid oxide Global Thermoelectric, or the molten
> carbonate type like Fuel Cell Energy (mentioned above for the neighborhood
> size power plants).
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "murdoch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] Taxed To DEATH
>
>
> > There is a discussion group for the air car here:
> > http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/mdiaircar/
> >
> > I've always thought it was an interesting concept and I try to keep my
> > eye on it, though they have not impressed me as really making progress
> > yet in business. Perhaps they will yet. Their business model seems
> > to be to franchise out their idea in some way. I'm not a fan of that.
> >
> > The air car was mentioned a few years ago in relation to trying to
> > help Mexico City cure some of its air pollution problems (i.e., zero
> > non-air emissions at the vehicle).
> >
> > As to the derivations of petroleum, I guess there could be some
> > debate, but anyway, I just tend to think of all bio and other fuels
> > outside of ground-sourced as "synthetic" insofar as they're made by
> > man taking action to do some chemistry.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:20:12 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Hmm. If you run a car on compressed air, does it not take energy to
> > >compress it? What do you run the compressor on? Gasoline?
> > >
> > >Also, if fossil fuel is from dinosaurs, is it not already bio fuel?
> > >
> > >There are those who say however that petroleum is primordial and that
it
> > >was created with the Earth itself. Do we really know the origin of
> > >petroleum?
> > >
> > >Damian Anderson
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com) wrote:
> > >
> > >>$1.67 a GALLON??????? You are having a laugh...no actually the British
> > >>government is having a laugh, we pay that per litre!!!!!!!!
> > >>...and they still won't support biodiesel production.
> > >>
> > >>The idea of moving to Denmark seems more attractive every day!!!
> > >>
> > >>Sorry...never heard of the Air Car...though it sounds cool.
> > >>You have to remember that in the UK we are severely behind the times,
> > >>and I mean SEVERELY.
> > >>Diesel IS cheaper in Europe, everywhere except the UK (about 50
> > >>cents/litre cheaper), and in France they use 100% biodiesel in 50% of
> > >>their pumps, and the rest it's a 25%bio/75%dino mix.
> > >>When you think of the amount of traditional English 'Fish & Chips'
shops
> > >>in the UK, it would make so much sense to convert to bio.
> > >>One of our largest chain of supermarkets is now using biodiesel to
power
> > >>its fleet of trucks, making biodiesel from the 100,000 litres/week of
> > >>waste cooking oil they produce in their canteens...at least someone is
> > >>doing something positive.
> > >>
> > >>Nick
> > >>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>Tricia Liu wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Luckily we don't have to pay tax here in California for Bio-Diesel.
> > >>Mixed
> > >>fuel less than certain amount, no need to pay tax.
> > >>
> > >>I was told that the reason only 1% American drives Diesel car is
because
> > >>the
> > >>Diesel is $1.67/gallon while gasoline is $1.60/gallon. And not
> > >>available in
> > >>all gas stations.
> > >>But in Europe, Diesel is far more cheaper than Gasoline for about how
> > >>much
> > >>cheaper?
> > >>32% European drives Diesel and French is 68%?
> > >>
> > >>And I had heard about French invention www.theaircar.com
> > >>
> > >>Can you find this car running around in Europe yet?
> > >>68MPH, runs 168miles per charge.
> > >>Cost $6700($6800 Euro), retails probably $10,000?
> > >>Compressed air, recharge cost $3 and takes 3 minutes from a station.
> > >>If you bought a compressor at home, charge takes 40 minutes and
> > >>electricty
> > >>or solar is required.
> > >>
> > >>We have LA auto show, Anahein Auto show. Every other European car
> > >>manufacturers were here, but not the air car?
> > >>They are not marketable yet or what?
> > >>
> > >>If you heard anything, please let me know. I'm dying to get an air
car
> > >>if I
> > >>could.
> > >>See the renewable air, compressed to sub -300 degree and stayed frozen
> > >>liquid form.
> > >>Then heat it up, release cool air for the passengers and the only
> > >>emission
> > >>will be still air. No pollution at all.
> > >>Actually the released air is even cleaner than the smogged air we are
> > >>breathing right now, no thanks to the gasoline cars.
> > >>Killing us slowing and makes us worry half to death.
> > >>
> > >>The knowledge of the pollution, global warming is worst than
> > >>hacking/coughing from the dirty air.
> > >>California had won the title for being the poorest air quality city in
> > >>USA
> > >>for 3 years in a roll, nobody can help us.
> > >>Unlike New York, everybody drives in California.
> > >>
> > >>Keep on breaking record then, what else can we do! I have to breath,
> > >>dirty
> > >>or not!
> > >>
> > >>SymmetryCo/Go-Electric-Store
> > >>Tricia Liu
> > >>801, South Raymond Ave., $36
> > >>Palm-Mission Industrial Park
> > >>Alhambra, CA.91803-1545
> > >>Phone: 1-626-642-1038
> > >>Fax: 1-626-628-3903
> > >>Cell: 1-626-536-4850
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Nick Taylor (SMTechnology.com)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 1:31 AM
> > >>Subject: [biofuel] Taxed To DEATH
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Hi Guys,
> > >>> Just thought I would let you know what the British government is
doing
> > >>> to support Biodiesel....absolutely nothing!!
> > >>> Currently here, we are paying silly amounts for our fuel, on average
> > >>> $1.30 (USD) for a litre of dino-diesel and $1.27 for unleaded.
> > >>Therefore
> > >>> making your own fuel is an attractive idea....but there is one
> > >>> problem...as its cheaper to make, the government does not get its
> > >>slice
> > >>> of the tax (to pay for their gas guzzling auto's!)..therefore they
> > >>don't
> > >>> encourage anyone to mass produce. As an example, my company has
> > >>applied
> > >>> for a licence to make its own biodiesel for our 4 VW Caddy vans. Not
a
> > >>> problem we were told by Customs and Excise....as long as you pay the
> > >>> government $0.76 in tax per litre used alone!. Once you add that to
> > >>the
> > >>> cost of small scale production, its going to cost us more than to
use
> > >>> dino-diesel.....we are forced to use dino-diesel, and they still get
> > >>> their money.
> > >>> I'm embarrassed that the UK is so far behind everyone else in
> > >>> Europe...after spending 4 months in Sweden last year, I realised
that
> > >>> the UK is a dinosaur itself, stuck in the industrial revolution of
100
> > >>> years ago (we are still struggling with broadband internet outside
of
> > >>> the big cities!!!).
> > >>> ..But don't worry folks...I'm going to be running my van on
biodiesel
> > >>> once I've got the hang of making it!! Stuff the government!
> > >>> If anyone is interested, here's what's in the news in the UK:
> > >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/england/1750734.stm
> > >>> One last thing...is there anyone in this group from the South West
of
> > >>> England that can recommend a good methanol supplier???
> > >>> Nick
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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