There is a movement afoot amongst some Prius owners to try to alter their cars (and take them out of warranty) to be Plug-In-Hybrid-Electric Vehicles. This involves, for example, enabling the EV-only mode that is found in Japan but not the U.S. (as I'm told) and this mode only functions as EV-Only below a certain miles per hour.
So, Michael may have been referring to that movement in his statement of objection to the sustainability of the idea. More can be read here, for example, that I posted a few days ago: http://www.calcars.org/priusplus.html This is just one organizer. I'm sure there are other engineers and others working on their hybrids, home-built or manufactured, who are not necessarily affiliated with Felix Kramer's Calcars.org or the PriusPlus effort. I liked the suggestion of running a biofueled genset, as it adds another option. My point has been, and will continue to be, that some of these environmental challenges have more than one layer to them. If we dismiss out-of-hand putting into place one of the layers, as we are so often urged to do, because it does not instantly, and entirely by-itself, solve the environmental problems, then we miss the point. A PIHEV, powered by a coal plant and conventional gasoline, may not be much of a mileage improver and may be as dirty or dirtier than an HEV or a regular car. But, once put into place, the owner can realize environmental gains that never would have been within his or her grasp had they listened to the attempt to dismiss the whole effort out of hand. Installation of solar energy on the roof of the garage, or installation of electricity generated from some other somewhat-more-renewable means (such as a genset powered by biofuels) can dramatically improve the car's overall sustainability of operation. And then of course, if and when we can get a manufacturer to get off their whining arguments and make a diesel PIHEV available, we're really going to be in business. On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 12:29:27 -0000, you wrote: >- > as I understand it, the prius is a hybrid gas-electric car. In which >case it recharges its batteries with its own mnotor.. No?. If I am >correct ,then the only thing I see that should change (since it is >not a diesel motor )is that the fuel air command module should be >changed so it can run on E100 or... better yet, 190-195 proof >ethanol. which anyone can make... > marc > > > > > > > >-- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Busyditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ideally, one should be able to charge their battery using a biofuel >powered >> genset. Not a reality for most, but imagine someone setting up an >urban >> "regeneration station/parking lot" to charge your vehicle overnight >using >> such a generator. The ideas are boundless, just enough inspiration >to make >> them work. >> busyditch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Michael" <> >> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:56 AM >> Subject: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car >> >> >> > I hope everyone realizes that the energy comes from a dirty power >plant, >> and >> > then loses energy traveling down the power lines, to their plug, >and then >> > loses energy in the rectifier, and in charging the batteries, and >in >> > discharging the batteries.Very Respectfully, >> > >> > Michael >> > http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Biofuels list archives: >> > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ >> > >> > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >> > To unsubscribe, send an email to: >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Biofuels list archives: >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
