Dear Hakan, Thanks for your observations. I do love Europe. I traveled to Ireland, England, France and Spain. But Since I am born in US and in order to "lighten things up" in this heavy discussion. Here are some interesting comments with my buddies - some are real blue collar some are real white collar office types:
My breakfast buddies and I have a running discussion on how "texans" are sooooooo different from "californians" and how "vermontians" are soooooo different than "floridians" and so forth. As a matter of fact we concluded that the US is a bag full of independent states and texans are always seen as a bit different by us US'ns. Hey - texas was a "dang republic" at one time and wanted to be seperate for the US. And everyone here knows that you "don't mess with those texans" (remember theh Alamo). So on the lighter side of things, yes, there are certainly differences - I think. I am partial to California. But then again, my Southern Califorina buddies want to cecede from Northern California. And some people in the Southwest still think its part of Mexico..(The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo). But I think every country goes through this. For example my grandmothter had land in another country but had to flee during a revolution and came to the US. But my granpa was born here and so was his dad, and his dad and so forth. I do love Europe. I traveled to Ireland, England, France and Spain. --- Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Phillip, > > It is multiple sources and some of them quite > credible. The worst thing is > that it is collaborated by real events. > > In the past, the general view towards Americans was > a love/irritation > relationship. When I was working in US and decided > to move back to Europe. > My American friends could not understand it. They > claimed that I missed > chance, I was an immigrant that US wanted and would > encourage to stay and > get citizenship. My answer was that despite it is no > other place that have > so much toys for grown ups, I felt like living on an > isolated Island with a > dominant population of children. > > I am today very upset and disturbed. In my life I > worked a lot with US and > have many dear American friends. George W. Bush, his > administration and > cohorts, have made my dear friends look like > dangerous and corrupted > lunatics. I am also very worried, because the > love/irritation relationship > has been transcended to a hate relationship. Where > Americans, women and > children often says "you do not like me", to get a > confirmation on that > this is not the case, I have never felt that it was > hate. What I see and > hear now, is signs of real hate towards the > Americans in the rest of the > world and it is not promising. I only hope that this > will change with the > term limitation of George W. Bush and that he will > not succeed with a > Hitler like coup to prolong his reign. > > This feeling of an eternal conflict situation, is > not good for me and the > world. > > Hakan > > > At 10:45 PM 3/29/2005, you wrote: > >holy Mackeral! How credible are the sources? > > > >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm > > > BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight | Secret US > plans > > > for Iraq's oil > > > > > > Secret US plans for Iraq's oil > > > > > > by Greg Palast > > > > > > The Bush administration made plans for war and > for > > > Iraq's oil before > > > the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle > between > > > neo-cons and Big > > > Oil, BBC's Newsnight has revealed. > > > > > > Two years ago today - when President George Bush > > > announced US, > > > British and Allied forces would begin to bomb > > > Baghdad - protesters > > > claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil > once > > > Saddam had been > > > conquered. > > > > > > In fact there were two conflicting plans, > setting > > > off a hidden policy > > > war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, > on > > > one side, versus a > > > combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State > > > Department > > > "pragmatists". > > > > > > "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, > > > obtained by Newsnight > > > from the US State Department was, we learned, > > > drafted with the help > > > of American oil industry consultants. > > > > > > Insiders told Newsnight that planning began > "within > > > weeks" of Bush's > > > first taking office in 2001, long before the > > > September 11th attack on > > > the US. > > > > > > An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah > > > Aljibury, says he took > > > part in the secret meetings in California, > > > Washington and the Middle > > > East. He described a State Department plan for a > > > forced coup d'etat. > > > > > > Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he > > > interviewed potential > > > successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the > Bush > > > administration. > > > > > > Secret sell-off plan > > > > > > The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a > > > secret plan, drafted > > > just before the invasion in 2003, which called > for > > > the sell-off of > > > all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was > crafted > > > by > > > neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to > > > destroy the Opec > > > cartel through massive increases in production > above > > > Opec quotas. > > > > > > The sell-off was given the green light in a > secret > > > meeting in London > > > headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US > entered > > > Baghdad, > > > according to Robert Ebel. > > > > > > Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, > now a > > > fellow at the > > > Center for Strategic and International Studies > in > > > Washington, told > > > Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the > > > request of the State > > > Department. > > > > > > Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's "back-channel" > to > > > Saddam, claims > > > that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the > > > US-installed > > > Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the > > > insurgency and > > > attacks on US and British occupying forces. > > > > > > "Insurgents used this, saying, 'Look, you're > losing > > > your country, > > > you're losing your resources to a bunch of > wealthy > > > billionaires who > > > want to take you over and make your life > > > miserable,'" said Mr > > > Aljibury from his home near San Francisco. > > > > > > "We saw an increase in the bombing of oil > > > facilities, pipelines, > > > built on the premise that privatisation is > coming." > > > > > > Privatisation blocked by industry > > > > > > Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA > who > > > took control of > > > Iraq's oil production for the US Government a > month > > > after the > > > invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme. > > > > > > Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul > Bremer, > > > the US occupation > > > chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: > "There > > > was to be no > > > privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or > facilities > > > while I was > > > involved." > > > > > > Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage > > > Foundation, told > > > Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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