Hi Ed, I have to disagree with your recommendation that biofuel advocates should try to get the WA legislature to consider SVO and WVO at the same time as biodiesel. I completely agree that the same priciples support the inclusion of both. BUT, we need to pursue goals that we can attain and appreciate that confusion is a major risk here and a tool that will be used against us. We need to have the crystal clear message that biodiesel(as B20) runs in diesel engines with no need for modification and with the (somewhat grudging) support of the OEM's. Putting SVO and WVO into the mix will confuse people and politicians regarding what biodiesel is and how it can be used and make passage substantially less likely. Biodiesel can lead the way for other biofuels but biodiesel will be less likely to get anywhere if it has to pull the weight of SVO and WVO.
I hope that you will seriously consider whether this approach will yield the best long-term results. Best, Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Date: 16 Feb 2003 12:46:56 -0000 To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 490 Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 6 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Q: price for glycerine in EU? From: "Winny De Schryver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2. biodiesel in Washington State From: Thor Skov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3. ethanol excise tax From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4. Re: biodiesel in Washington State From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5. glycerine From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6. More Yip Yip for Appal From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:16:55 +0100 From: "Winny De Schryver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Q: price for glycerine in EU? Prices per ton glycerine 60% 300 ? 80% 500 ? 90% 600 ? Winny > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Paulius Staneiauskas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2003 8:21 > Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? > > > Hi Winny, > Can you tell me prices of all the purities? > > Paulius > > -----Original Message----- > From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:07 PM > To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? > > Hi, > > Depends on the purity of your product. Is it in the range of 65 , 80 , > 90 or > 95+ % pure ? > > Winny > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: pauliusstanciauskas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Verzonden: maandag 10 februari 2003 15:08 > > Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > > Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? > > > > > > Hello, > > I need information about glycerine price for 1t in EU. I would be > > thankfull for your information. > > Paulius > > > > > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel at WebConX > > http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: Thor Skov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: biodiesel in Washington State For those of you in Washington State, there are a number of house and senate bills before the State Legislature that provide tax breaks and other incentives for biodiesel production, distribution, and use. I would like to put together a group of interested individuals to contact the sponsoring legislators about these bills, and to push for their support. If you are interested, please contact me by email, or by phone at day 360-652-7362 ext 284 eve 206-363-4187 regards, thor skov ===== Grants Manager Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane P.O. Box 277 Arlington, WA 98223-0277 (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:18:36 -0800 From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ethanol excise tax http://ogj.pennnet.com/articles/web_article_display.cfm?ARTICLE_CATEGORY=Gen In&ARTICLE_ID=167673 Ethanol, other fuels The new budget seeks to extend ethanol's excise tax exemption and income tax credit through Dec. 31, 2010. The excise tax is now scheduled to expire Sept. 30, 2007; the income tax credit in December of the same year. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:23:00 -0800 From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: biodiesel in Washington State Hi Thor: As in other areas, it would be good to have them consider SVO and WVO at the same time as they are working on breaks for biodiesel. Edward Beggs On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:21 AM, Thor Skov wrote: > For those of you in Washington State, there are a > number of house and senate bills before the State > Legislature that provide tax breaks and other > incentives for biodiesel production, distribution, and > use. > > I would like to put together a group of interested > individuals to contact the sponsoring legislators > about these bills, and to push for their support. If > you are interested, please contact me by email, or by > phone at > day 360-652-7362 ext 284 > eve 206-363-4187 > > regards, > > thor skov > > ===== > Grants Manager > Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians > 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane > P.O. Box 277 > Arlington, WA 98223-0277 > (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:53:55 -0000 From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: glycerine So I've got the million dollar homebrewer question: What's out there for a glycerine market in the US? I've seen info that says it's pricey and I've seen info that indicates otherwise. I do glycerine acidifying (ffa recovery/etc) and am connected to a few dozen people who mostly compost their glycerine. One group I'm working with is about to quadruple production (that doesn't mean much on a homebrew scale, though- 200 gallon processor rather than a 55gallon drum). anyway the point is that with all of this coproduct going to waste, and a guaranteed amount of it being produced monthly by us all, I'd like to start researching glycerine sales- if the acid purified stuff is really 95% pure it seems worth finding a market for it- I'm going to bug all the producer types I know to see if any Non-Foodgrade Glycerine Sales secrets come up. (after I softened them up to answering pesky homebrewer questions by calling all of them with the free 3500 gallon steel tank offer- in fact, one of them is looking at that tank now) So, any of you on this list have any good words about getting a penny for glycerine? (I haven't done any actual internet searching yet either) any ideas on how it's handled commercially by WVO-sourced production facilitie ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:34:15 -0800 From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: More Yip Yip for Appal Well, it's not good to see them not getting their proprer wages, but it will be nices if it causes folks to think about the price of fuel, any kind of fuel. Nigerian Oil Workers Launch Indefinite Strike Associated Press LAGOS, Nigeria -- Nigerian oil workers on Saturday launched an indefinite strike that could shut down crude exports in the world's sixth largest oil exporter. Half of Nigerian exports go to the U.S. The strike over pay and working conditions comes as the threat of war in Iraq and a prolonged strike in Venezuela have pushed oil prices to two-year highs. The action was launched by employees of the Department of Petroleum Resources, a key government unit overseeing operations of oil multinationals like ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, Royal Dutch/Shell and TotalFinaElf. It is backed by the country's powerful Petroleum and Natural Gas Senior Staff Association of Nigeria, or Pengassan. The strike aims to paralyze the loading of crude oil at export terminals, but Pengassan is threatening to shut down operations across the industry, if the government does not meet its demands by the middle of next week. "We started shutting down today," Pengassan spokesman Femi Familoni said, but added the effect would likely not be felt until Monday. A Shell spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said the company was taking steps to minimize the impact of the strike. He declined to elaborate. Officials at other companies could not immediately be reached for comment. Strikers are demanding more than a year's worth of back pay, including unpaid overtime, expenses and travel allowances. They are also demanding greater autonomy and better financing for the department, which they say is crippled by inefficient government bureaucracy. "As things stand, most of the time we rely on ... oil companies to perform our duties, which is not how it should be," Mr. Familoni said. President Olusegun Obasanjo's energy adviser, Rilwanu Lukman, offered to meet with the strikers Feb. 25, according to union officials. But strikers rejected the proposal, saying it did not reflect the urgency of their demands. The government can ill-afford a prolonged strike as it seeks to tackle widespread poverty and repair infrastructure left to decay during decades of corrupt rule. Government officials could not immediately be reached for comment. Nigeria produces close to two million barrels of oil a day, more than 95% of which is pumped by joint ventures between the government and major oil companies. Copyright (c) 2003 Associated Press Updated February 15, 2003 8:04 p.m. EST ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
