Hi Graham: Well, it has been included in other places, interest if growing quickly in SVO use, and so it is, I think, best to just lay it all out for the legislators at the outset.
It is simple. If it is renewable from vegetable oil sources, it gets the tax break. If it's non-renewable from fossil fuel sources, it does not. Legislators are not dumb people. You don't have to spoon feed them. But they may have the mistaken impression that only B20 "works" or that only B100 works because this is the only message they have been receiving from the biodiesel folks and from the soy folks, and that is not the case. The legislation in any jurisdiction looking at tax breaks for biofuels should most definitely cover the use of EITHER alkyl esters or SVO/WVO. Legislators should be concerned with setting policy, hopefully policy that leads and leaves the door open for technological development. There is sufficient evidence that some oils, in some systems, in some diesels will work just fine as alternative, renewable, vegetable-based diesel fuel, and that emissions will be reduced in a number of categories in line with biodiesel emission reductions, and there are energy and CO2 emission advantages, actually, for SVO on a life cycle basis over biodiesel. Inclusion of SVO also opens the door for a more direct flow from farm to end-user, new crops such as Canola and mustard, and in Washington's case, those arecrops that can be grown in the eastern part of the State, See the pdf version at this link of a study on this, specific to Washington State. http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/CEPublications/eb1919/eb1919abstract.htm This allows for crop rotation and erosion benefits, deep tap roots for drainage and soil improvement, greater value-added and sustainable agriculture, and new markets and profits for Washington State farmers The oils from Canola and mustard are quite suitable for use in many diesels, as we know, without conversion to biodiesel. The seeds can be cold pressed on the farms, the oils sold direct to urban markets, and the meal fed to livestock, used as fertilizer, and in the case of mustard, used as a natural pesticide. These are areas that the legislators should be very interested in along with recycling of WVO in the simplest, most cost-effective way, perhaps by filtering and blending with the above new oils, to keep it out of landfills and drains. Educate the legislators early on, to include it in the scope, and let others deal with the technical and warranty issues - not those who are writing the broad policy directives that will act as drivers for change over the coming years. Certainly, do not allow a situation whereby one segment of the biofuels industry prospers at the expense of another by leaving a large part of the available information out of what legislators get to hear before they pass their various bills. Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. President, Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi Ed, > > I have to disagree with your recommendation that biofuel advocates > should > try to get the WA legislature to consider SVO and WVO at the same time > as > biodiesel. I completely agree that the same priciples support the > inclusion of both. BUT, we need to pursue goals that we can attain and > appreciate that confusion is a major risk here and a tool that will be > used > against us. We need to have the crystal clear message that > biodiesel(as > B20) runs in diesel engines with no need for modification and with the > (somewhat grudging) support of the OEM's. Putting SVO and WVO into > the mix > will confuse people and politicians regarding what biodiesel is and > how it > can be used and make passage substantially less likely. Biodiesel can > lead > the way for other biofuels but biodiesel will be less likely to get > anywhere if it has to pull the weight of SVO and WVO. > > I hope that you will seriously consider whether this approach will > yield > the best long-term results. > > Best, > > Graham > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > Date: 16 Feb 2003 12:46:56 -0000 > To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [biofuels-biz] Digest Number 490 > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > There are 6 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. RE: Q: price for glycerine in EU? > From: "Winny De Schryver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 2. biodiesel in Washington State > From: Thor Skov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 3. ethanol excise tax > From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 4. Re: biodiesel in Washington State > From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 5. glycerine > From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 6. More Yip Yip for Appal > From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:16:55 +0100 > From: "Winny De Schryver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Q: price for glycerine in EU? > > Prices per ton glycerine > > 60% 300 ? > 80% 500 ? > 90% 600 ? > > Winny > >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >> Van: Paulius Staneiauskas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2003 8:21 >> Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com >> Onderwerp: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? >> >> >> Hi Winny, >> Can you tell me prices of all the purities? >> >> Paulius >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Winny De Schryver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:07 PM >> To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? >> >> Hi, >> >> Depends on the purity of your product. Is it in the range of 65 , 80 , >> 90 or >> 95+ % pure ? >> >> Winny >> >> >>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>> Van: pauliusstanciauskas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Verzonden: maandag 10 februari 2003 15:08 >>> Aan: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com >>> Onderwerp: [biofuels-biz] Q: price for glycerine in EU? >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> I need information about glycerine price for 1t in EU. I would be >>> thankfull for your information. >>> Paulius >>> >>> >>> >>> Biofuels at Journey to Forever >>> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> Biofuel at WebConX >>> http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm >>> List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: >>> http://archive.nnytech.net/ >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:21:28 -0800 (PST) > From: Thor Skov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: biodiesel in Washington State > > For those of you in Washington State, there are a > number of house and senate bills before the State > Legislature that provide tax breaks and other > incentives for biodiesel production, distribution, and > use. > > I would like to put together a group of interested > individuals to contact the sponsoring legislators > about these bills, and to push for their support. If > you are interested, please contact me by email, or by > phone at > day 360-652-7362 ext 284 > eve 206-363-4187 > > regards, > > thor skov > > ===== > Grants Manager > Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians > 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane > P.O. Box 277 > Arlington, WA 98223-0277 > (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:18:36 -0800 > From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: ethanol excise tax > > http://ogj.pennnet.com/articles/ > web_article_display.cfm?ARTICLE_CATEGORY=Gen > In&ARTICLE_ID=167673 > > Ethanol, other fuels > The new budget seeks to extend ethanol's excise tax exemption and > income tax > credit through Dec. 31, 2010. The excise tax is now scheduled to expire > Sept. > 30, 2007; the income tax credit in December of the same year. > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:23:00 -0800 > From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: biodiesel in Washington State > > Hi Thor: > > As in other areas, it would be good to have them consider SVO and WVO > at the same time as they are working on breaks for biodiesel. > > Edward Beggs > > On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 11:21 AM, Thor Skov wrote: > >> For those of you in Washington State, there are a >> number of house and senate bills before the State >> Legislature that provide tax breaks and other >> incentives for biodiesel production, distribution, and >> use. >> >> I would like to put together a group of interested >> individuals to contact the sponsoring legislators >> about these bills, and to push for their support. If >> you are interested, please contact me by email, or by >> phone at >> day 360-652-7362 ext 284 >> eve 206-363-4187 >> >> regards, >> >> thor skov >> >> ===== >> Grants Manager >> Stillaguamish Tribe Of Indians >> 3439 Stoluckquamish Lane >> P.O. Box 277 >> Arlington, WA 98223-0277 >> (360) 652-7362 Ext 284 >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day >> http://shopping.yahoo.com >> >> Biofuels at Journey to Forever >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> Biofuel at WebConX >> http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm >> List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: >> http://archive.nnytech.net/ >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:53:55 -0000 > From: "girl_mark_fire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: glycerine > > So I've got the million dollar homebrewer question: > > What's out there for a glycerine market in the US? > > I've seen info that says it's pricey and I've seen info that indicates > otherwise. I do glycerine acidifying (ffa > recovery/etc) and am connected to a few dozen people who mostly compost > their glycerine. One group I'm working > with is about to quadruple production (that doesn't mean much on a > homebrew > scale, though- 200 gallon processor > rather than a 55gallon drum). > anyway the point is that with all of this coproduct going to waste, > and a > guaranteed amount of it being produced > monthly by us all, I'd like to start researching glycerine sales- if > the > acid purified stuff is really 95% pure it > seems worth finding a market for it- I'm going to bug all the producer > types I know to see if any Non-Foodgrade > Glycerine Sales secrets come up. (after I softened them up to answering > pesky homebrewer questions by calling all > of them with the free 3500 gallon steel tank offer- in fact, one of > them is > looking at that tank now) > > So, any of you on this list have any good words about getting a penny > for > glycerine? (I haven't done any actual > internet searching yet either) any ideas on how it's handled > commercially > by WVO-sourced production facilitie > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:34:15 -0800 > From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: More Yip Yip for Appal > > Well, it's not good to see them not getting their proprer wages, but it > will be > nices if it causes folks to think about the price of fuel, any kind of > fuel. > > > > Nigerian Oil Workers > Launch Indefinite Strike > > Associated Press > > > LAGOS, Nigeria -- Nigerian oil workers on Saturday launched an > indefinite > strike > that could shut down crude exports in the world's sixth largest oil > exporter. > Half of Nigerian exports go to the U.S. > > The strike over pay and working conditions comes as the threat of war > in > Iraq > and a prolonged strike in Venezuela have pushed oil prices to two-year > highs. > > The action was launched by employees of the Department of Petroleum > Resources, a > key government unit overseeing operations of oil multinationals like > ExxonMobil, > ChevronTexaco, Royal Dutch/Shell and TotalFinaElf. It is backed by the > country's > powerful Petroleum and Natural Gas Senior Staff Association of > Nigeria, or > Pengassan. > > The strike aims to paralyze the loading of crude oil at export > terminals, > but > Pengassan is threatening to shut down operations across the industry, > if the > government does not meet its demands by the middle of next week. "We > started > shutting down today," Pengassan spokesman Femi Familoni said, but > added the > effect would likely not be felt until Monday. > > A Shell spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said > the > company was taking steps to minimize the impact of the strike. He > declined > to > elaborate. Officials at other companies could not immediately be > reached for > comment. > > Strikers are demanding more than a year's worth of back pay, including > unpaid > overtime, expenses and travel allowances. They are also demanding > greater > autonomy and better financing for the department, which they say is > crippled by > inefficient government bureaucracy. "As things stand, most of the time > we > rely > on ... oil companies to perform our duties, which is not how it should > be," > Mr. > Familoni said. > > President Olusegun Obasanjo's energy adviser, Rilwanu Lukman, offered > to > meet > with the strikers Feb. 25, according to union officials. But strikers > rejected > the proposal, saying it did not reflect the urgency of their demands. > > The government can ill-afford a prolonged strike as it seeks to tackle > widespread poverty and repair infrastructure left to decay during > decades of > corrupt rule. Government officials could not immediately be reached for > comment. > > Nigeria produces close to two million barrels of oil a day, more than > 95% of > which is pumped by joint ventures between the government and major oil > companies. > > Copyright (c) 2003 Associated Press > > Updated February 15, 2003 8:04 p.m. EST > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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