Thanks for the info and the links, Keith. I have been looking for the
right word to do web searches with. Agroforestry. Since web searches
are word-based, it is important to use the right word to find the right
info.
Richard
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Hello Rich
I think that trees are a (renewable) resource that should be harvested.
Yes, but how? Good ways and bad ways... there are some interesting
discussions (and arguments) about this in the list archives.
Otherwise, trees, like other resources, will get depleted, no matter
the quantity of trees. The more there is of the resource, the more
time it takes to deplete it and the more the hurt after it is gone. I
ordered this fascinating book "Les Methodes Jean Pain ou Un Autre
Jardin" (The Jean Pain Methods or Another Garden) from
www.jean-pain.com (in French) that does just that. It can be ordered
using Paypal, among other payment methods. Tree harvesting. removing
dead branches, shred them and compost them. Removing dead branches
has the added benefit of reducing wild fire risk.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
Biofuels Library - Journey to Forever
Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold
http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#treecrops
Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever
Tree Crops: A Permanent Agriculture by J. Russell Smith
The Overstory, Agroforestry Net, Inc.
http://www.overstory.org
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Hard to say where the truth is in all of this debate regarding
cutting trees. In Canada forest is one of our largest natural
.....ahem....resources. Currently more forest area is lost to
natural causes than logging. Trees are renewable and the lumber
industry now replants more trees than it takes. The ecological
impact is not a clear cut issue (pardon the pun). Granted a mature
forest supports a different ecology than a second growth but for
instance studies have shown that there is more food for bears in a
clearcut zone than there is in a mature forest. I can vouch for
this and the proof is in the sheer number of bears I have seen in
clearcut areas in the province of British Columbia vs old growth
areas. Clear cutting is still bad for what it does to soil
retention on slopes but consider that a mature forest WILL burn
eventually one hot dry summer during an electrical storm and all the
lumber will have gone to waste and a lot of CO2 and particulate
would have gone into the air. I have also been told that trees
contibute relatively little oxygen to our atmosphere compared to the
majority which comes from algae in the sea. Is this true? I've not
verified it. Surely in a place like Canada using lumber makes sense
from the perspective of localization vs globalization. Steel mills
and recycling foundaries are few and far apart and require energy
and transportation over long distances. The lumber industry uses
heavy equipment for sure but there are thousands of saw mills that
can process lumber right where it is cut and it can be used there as
well. Lumber will not disappear any time soon as a building
material. If logging was banned here construction companies would
look for imported lumber possibly imported from regions where lack
of environmental standards and logging practices are much more
damaging to the earth. What is really needed is to put the brakes
on the pervasive need for expansion that our capitalist system
requires in order to sustain itself. I don't know what can replace
it but I have a feeling we are going to find out in the next decade
or so.
We'll replace it.
"There may still be two superpowers on the planet: the United States
and world public opinion." - The New York Times
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030414&s=schell
The Other Superpower | Jonathan Schell
Best wishes
Keith
Joe
Chris wrote:
Todd, of course you are correct that energy is used to recycle
steel. However, no more land is strip mined, and no new land is
disturbed to bury the old broken washing machine that got melted
down. Were the electricity generated in a sustainable way, it
would be all good.
Chris K
Cayce, SC
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Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your home ?
> We do not live in the US.
> Would like to know what is this panasteel or recycled steel?
Something that requires a boatload of fossil fuels to smelt, sheet
and press.
Nice thing about renewables. They're renewable.
And to a very large they do it in a carbon neutral way without
much interference from humans.
Todd Swearingen.
Josephine Wee wrote:
To Nancy Canning:
We do not live in the US. Would like to know what is this
panasteel or recycled steel?
thanks.
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*Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:51 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build your
home ?
what about recycled tires. filled with dirt, then covered with
stucco. Makes a mighty good building and is being used all over
the southwest.
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*Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:35 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build
your home ?
I just built a utility building using the recycled steel
structure by Panasteel, and I didn't have to join a
get-rich-quick scheme to do it. Chris K
Cayce, SC
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*Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:04 PM
*Subject:* [Biofuel] How many trees were killed to build
your home ?
Have you ever wondered how many trees were killed to
build your home ? Go to this link an see how many and
what you can do to change that whether it be a garage
or a stadium ?
http://customsuperhomes.com/myk
I would like to make that change for America, after
viewing the information signup to send me your
information so we can build it together,
Myk Hill
Environmental Builder Professional
http://customsuperhomes.com/myk
Ph & Fx: 206-600-5632
PO Box 291
Morrisville, NC 27560
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