Doesn't sound like you have "worked" in Government either.....and should be fired!! Most FTE's are very dedicated to doing a good job for the people served (which includes themselves, who are also taxpayers)....but of course there always are those few afraid of their own shadow or who get put into positions of responsibility when they shouldn't be....just like "real" people in "real" jobs. Okay, a little over reactive....but then I think we should still have a "Draft" for the military in this country (or something that includes it). DB
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Weaver Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 7:41 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve... That's what a lot of people don't understand. If you haven't worked in the Gov't it doesn't make much sense. I was just telling someone that the latest IRS IT fiasco is actually not a failure in the eyes of the Gov't workers - only one person got fired, the FTE's got paid and the contractors got paid. Whether or not it worked was pretty incidental to the process. The rules are: 1. Don't get fired - still pretty hard to fire someone in the US. 2. Don't make more work for anyone. 3. Don't make your boss look bad. 4. Don't get bad press. 5. Inertia is better than doing something. Inertia won't get you fired, but doing something might. 6. That's the way we've always done it. Appal Energy wrote: > Tom, > > Government is business. But not necessarily or precisely going about > the same business of any specific special interest businesses. More to > the tune of going about the business of all business. > > How many times have you found yourself in the middle of a Freudian > slip, such as "In this company (country)...?" > > Think about it. The structure is precisely the same, with labor, > middle and upper level "management" and the occassional "stock > holder's" meeting (elections). In the interim, seldom does management > change anything to the liking or needs of labor unless mandatory to > prevent a serious disruption of production flow. Even then, as in the > case of oil, they hold out to the last possible moment rather than > seizing available opportunities. > > Call it poor leadership. Call it an attempt to maximize current > infrastructure and investment dollar. Call it whatever you wish. But > government is business, with one of its goals to insure its own > existance to the best of its capabilities. > > Todd Swearingen > > "The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." > > > > > Tom Irwin wrote: > >> Hi Todd, >> >> You are such a hairsplitter. Big government or big corporate >> agribusinesses they ane now synonyms at least in the G8 world. I know >> your just endeavoring to be accurate. >> >> Big Smile, >> >> Tom Irwin >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 19:57:35 -0300 >> *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve... >> >> Not necessarily. >> >> More like the big hand(s) of soybean interest(s) manipulating a >> set of >> controls to as best as possible "guarantee" that they get their >> research, testing and investment monies back. Forget that the monies >> they used are from a per bushel tax on beans, designated for use to >> advance the production and consumption of soy, which biodiesel does. >> >> What they want is the tax money to operate off of and then after >> they >> spend it they want it replenished. >> >> The government just went along in the processing of incorporating >> biodiesel as an EPA registered fuel. >> >> Then again, on the other hand, the soybean interests could have >> kept the >> Tier I & II health effects studies for their use only as well as >> applicable only to soybean oil. But that's not how it ended up, as >> fuel >> from all oil and fat feedstocks fall under the rubric of >> "biodiesel." >> >> One could say that the EPA lobbied to keep the gate open a little >> wider >> than strictly soy, which in turn served the public's interest rather >> than specifically the special interest. >> >> Nobody is talking. >> >> Todd Swearingen >> >> >> Tom Irwin wrote: >> >> > Hi All, >> > >> > Do I detect the big hand of government squeezing the small >> business >> > owner for corporate America here? >> > >> > Tom >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > *From:* Ric Cuchetto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")>] >> > *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> > *Sent:* Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:50:42 -0300 >> > *Subject:* RE: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve... >> > >> > ASTM testing is at the end of the process. We are also >> struggling with >> > taxes and licensing and posting bond related to transporting the >> waste >> > veggie oil. There is quite a bit of resistance to these >> technologies. >> > Truckers, renderers and petro companies do a much better job of >> > lobbying >> > than the grass roots folks. Even forward-thinking folks trying to >> > build >> > methanizers or biodiesel plants find that the insurance, >> licensing and >> > certification make it difficult to justify the costs. Let's not >> > even start >> > with the transportation (fuel) taxes. >> > >> > Commercialization is a big hurdle compared to dumpster diving and >> > making >> > fuel for your buddies. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Ric Cuchetto >> > Northern california >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","[EMAIL PROTECTED]")> >> > ] >> > On Behalf Of TarynToo >> > Sent: August 09, 2005 08:04 >> > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> > >> > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve... >> > >> > Hi Mike, >> > Can you (or others) expand on this please? How much of a fortune? >> > I've >> > been searching for info on the tax and regulatory issues of >> producing >> > and selling BD on a small scale. I wouldn't mind joining or >> > starting a >> > co-op, but cooperatively-minded folk are thin on the ground in >> South >> > Florida. >> > >> > Thanks, Taryn >> > >> > On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Also, you can't set up a Biodiesel plant in the US. It's >> illegal to >> > > sell fuel unless you have it tested by ASTM, which costs a >> fortune. >> > > You can brew your own or as part of a coop. >> > > >> > > -Mike >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> > >> > >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > messages): >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> > >> > >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > messages): >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Biofuel mailing list >> >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> >> >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> > >> >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives >> (50,000 messages): >> >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> <javascript:kh6k0("new","Biofuel@sustainablelists.org")> >> >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
