No you shouldn't be dumped from the list. Let's me see if I can put it in terms of your reactor.
If a guy down the street designed a reactor, and it caught fire. 2 months later he builds it again, and it catches fire again. Who is at fault? A different person hearing about biodiesel decides to build the same type of reactor, despite hearing about the fires, and that one catches fire. Who would be at fault? A third person finds out about BioDiesel and builds this reactor design, and it catches fire. Who is at fault? And a 4th person and a 5th person and so on, and most of the times the reactor designs catch fire. Who is at fault for the fires? Ok now it is common knowledge that this reactor design is likely to catch fires sooner or later. What about if after the fires, you built the same design, despite being warned many times that this is a dangerous design? Who's fault would it be, that your reactor caught fire and burned down your house, and your wife or kid ended up with 2nd degree burns because of it? How do you think the people that warned you would feel, that they warned you, but, you failed to listen? Would they feel sorrier for you that your reactor burned down or sorrier for the person that ended up with the 2 degree burn? I think so. How would you feel, if you know a person was warned that a reactor design was dangerous, many times, before they built it, and they still built it? What about after the reactor burned down and someone was injured or killed because the warnings were not heeded? Sure, you would feel bad, that it happened, but, you would also be angry, because the hurt and the pain need not have been as severe if some precautions were taken. I hurt, that it happened, but, in many ways I am extremely angry with the situation, because I know, without any doubt, that it need not have been that bad ( or be as bad as it is ) had more people been prepared, or taken more steps to be prepared for the worst. Not just with individuals, but, with the city of New Orleans, for it sure does not look like they had any comprehensive disaster plan. And if anybody should have had a plan in place to deal with a worst case scenario, they should have. The state is just as guilty, they knew how bad it could get for years, heck I knew for 15 years that this could happen, so did many other, and the warnings were out there. Unfortunately it always starts with the individuals, because, it almost always takes at least 72 hrs to really get people and supplies moving to those that needs it. What am I doing about it? It doesn't matter, because someone could claim I'm making it up, and how would I prove a negative wrong? Greg H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 13:37 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > You can either shrug it off or have compassion for a fellow human being. > Put yourself in their place for a second (empathy). They are pleading > for help even though you think they might not deserve it (have mercy). > That's what drew me to this list in the first place; sharing information > freely to help each other. We generate a synergy of ideas here greater > than any one person. If my reactor catches fire because I made a stupid > mistake, should I be dropped from the list? What I feel when I read your > posts doesn't seem to fit. It bothers me. I'm sorry. > > Regards, > Emil > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg and > April > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:47 PM > To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > > Yes. > > If people live in an area, they should learn of dangerous natural > occurrences ( quakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, tidal waves, blizzards and > the > like ), and make preparations for them. > > Like I said in another post: > > "I have no issue with those that TRIED to do something to help them > selves > and still got into trouble. > > BUT I do have issues with those that did NOTHING ( despite all the > warnings ) to help them selves then expect the government and everyone > else > to drop what their doing and save them, because they would rather buy a > case > of beer, than a bus ticket.". > > Dams fail, if people are not willing to accept that they may only have 5 > min > warning to get to higher ground, and may lose everything they should not > live below a dam. > > If people are going to fly, they need to take it upon them selves to > find > out what kind of aircraft they are going to be flying on and find out if > that model of aircraft has a good history of flight safety, and then > take > the personal responsibility to accept that sometimes the one in a > million > chance actualy happens. > > If one looks at the past one can see that a given area is subject to > hurricanes and should prepare accordingly. > > If you live below sea level near a coast, expect the fact that you have > a > chance of getting flooded. If you live within 50 ft of sea level near > a > coast, expect that the tidal surge could very well reach you. > > Empathy? My empathy is for the kids that couldn't leave because of > ignorant parents and for the people that tried and still failed. Not > for > someone that bought a case of beer, instead of a 5 gal bucket of water > that > could save their life. > > 7 MRE's can keep a person alive for 2 weeks, and cost about the same as > a > case of beer. > > If people would pay attention when the experts tell them not to expect > help > after a disaster for at least 72 hrs, they would be allot better off > putting > the money to a 72 hr kit than spending it to drink that stupid beer. > With > a little ingenuity, 72 hr kits are not expensive nor are they hard to > put > together, I have put several together for my family. > > If I had to leave the house: > I can with 5 min notice, keep my family of 4 going for 24 hrs. > With 20 min notice, I can keep my family going 72 hrs, with some > shelter. > With an 1 hour notice, I can keep my family going for more than 2 weeks > in > some comfort. > With 1 day of notice, I can hook up with a couple of friends and my 2 > sisters, and live comfortably for a month with out any other assistance. > > If I don't have to leave the house, I'm good for 1 month in the winter, > and > 4+ months in the summer. > > I do not live in a flood plain. > > I have a little multi-fuel stove, that can burn any liquid fuel, and a > fireplace that can burn any solid fuel ( I have a little wood stove I > could > install in a day or so ), to cook food. > > I scrounged most of the materials and built a safe room in the basement. > > I have three 55 gal barrels filled with water, plus enough containers > for > another 500 gal of water ( and that is not counting the 55 gal water > heater ). > > I have a chain saw and enough fuel to keep it going for a week strait. > > I also have a 5ft cross cut timber saw, a couple of axes, a maul and > some > splitting wedges, and know how to make wood wedges ( done it several > times > when my metal wedges were stuck or not available ). > > I'll say it now: > > If anyone on this list, would like help putting together a 72 hr kit, I > would be more than happy to give any help I can! > > In part it's a little like learning to make BioDiesel because the > DinoDiesel > is running out. > > Just remember, is going to be extremely hard to put one together, during > an > emergency, so do it before it occurs. > > Greg H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Manzo, Emil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:33 > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? > > > > Would you feel the same way if people died in quakes in Japan or > > California? What about Sri Lanka? How about a plane crash, dam breech, > > eruption or tornado? Some empathy here would be nice. No one is > perfect. > > No one can predict the future. > > > > Regards, > > Emil > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or > g > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
