If only. We here in US don't seem to learn very quickly. > > Hi Tom and Bede, > > Maybe the coming oil crises will be a blessing > for our earth. Because the moment oil is no loner > available, we have to produce fuel and plastics > etc. from other sources. If all playing on a > level field, the possibilities are more equal and > the wealth will be more distributed. US had the > advantage to be the first oil economy and that > the large oil resources have been in less > populated countries, which could be "developed" by US interests. > > Next step will be a development of the coal > resources and US, Russia and China have maybe 70% > of known resources and this time US will not be > able to manipulate. Since the coal will be > expensive, the rest of the world will be > competing with renewable agriculture based > alternatives on more equal terms. To have any > kind of possibilities to survive, coal has to > carry large cost for sequestering of polluting > chemicals and gases. This especially if the > hydrogen economy becomes a reality. The handling > of nuclear waste will be a minor problem, > compared with what the future generations will face > > The wealth and powers to be, will have a totally > different structure than today and none of us can > really imagine how the future will look. We will > not participate in this future, but our attitudes > and work of today, will be of utmost importance. > It is now that we can effect the outcome and if > we do not take Global warming and other things > very serious, our future generations will carry > the punishment. It is no risks of that we can be > to cautious and careful, because it will be a > possibility to sustain the future if we follow > this principles anyway. The world is probably on > the edge and it does not take much to tip the balance towards disasters. > > Nothing will be able to solve without a strict > energy efficiency, which also will be the best > economical regime. It is amazing that US is using > 3 times and Canada 4 times more energy in their > buildings, than Sweden does. This after climate > corrections. With dirt cheap oil, it was > expensive, but with todays oil prices, it has > become very economical. This is also something > that cannot be "occupied by military force and is closer to sustainable. > > Hakan > > > > > At 12:29 07/10/2005, you wrote: >>with the rising cost of oil these will eventually become valuable >> resources, >>Its also only a matter of time before we start mining our rubbish dumps! >> >>There's also a French company i saw on Beyond >>2000, it had to do with turning tires back into its raw components. >>once again once bought back, it cost more to >>process than the end products where worth. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Irwin >>Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:07 PM >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quantifying the Price of Packaging/Sending the >> Message >> >>Hi Hakan and all, >> >>One of the real problems is not having an >>economic system that accounts for the lack of >>degradability or environmental consequences of >>products produced. This is a world wide problem >>not limited to the U.S. More than 10 years ago I >>worked on a research team to make a >>biodegradable plastic. We accomplished this and >>had formulations that worked in most plastic >>processing equipment. Of course, polyethylene >>was $0.26 per pound and our formulations were >>about a dollar more per pound. We had a >>wonderful niche market product that couldn´t >>support us. The same is true for PET. There´s a >>company that I worked for that holds a patent >>for recycling waste PET chemically back to >>original components, bottles from bottles with >>no residual contamination. Transportation costs >>of the light plastics kill this one. Many >>industries have solutions but they are not >>economical with the present low cost of the >>plastics they would replace or recycle. >> >>Tom Irwin > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >
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