>Dear Keith, > >As someone who is selling a "Crappleseed Foolmeister" based on stolen >JTF plans on Ebay I must demand that you retract your statements or >prepare to meet me >on the (virtual) field on honor. > >Name your seconds.
More lemon meringue pie please. >-Weaver > >Keith Addison wrote: > > >Wow, Ryan, you missed every point going! > > > >It's late now, all I have time for is this. Quite a remarkable thing > >to say without checking, especially since it was posted here just > >recently, and in a "PLEASE READ" message, which all members are > >obliged to read. Did you read it? > > > >You say: > > > > > > > >>Absolutely true. But new guys don't see JtF first, they see > >>FuelMeister or somebody similar; who want to sell something to them. > >> > >> > > > >And: > > > > > > > >>All true, and should be made to be Google hit #1 whenever > >>"Biodiesel" is searched for, but its not, so new guys will continue > >>to start with a processor because search engine results start with a > >>processor. Want to change that? Get JtF to the top of the list. > >> > >> > > > >Please check this, from last week's message: > > > > > > > >>http://snipurl.com/q26x > >>biodiesel - Google Search > >> > >>http://snipurl.com/q26p > >>biodiesel mailing list - Google Search > >> > >>(Actually that's very annoying! It's NOT a biodiesel mailing list!) > >> > >> > > > >You're completely wrong - it IS at the top of Google, so is the > >Biofuel list, and I see nothing there about FuelMeisters or > >Crappleseeds. > > > >Which Google were you looking at? If you didn't check it first why > >did you say it with such confidence? > > > > > > > >>Ranking.com ranks traffic at the 900,000 Most Visited and Popular > >>Web Sites, and it currently ranks JtF at #3 in its category of > >>Education/Organizations, up from #5 a year ago and #8 two years ago. > >>JtF ranks at #18,175 among all web sites, up from #43,542 eight > >>months ago and #64,433 two years ago. It has 24,397 links pointing > >>to it from other sites. In the past year JtF's monthly site traffic > >>grew by 155% and the page visits total grew by 85%, and the starting > >>figures weren't low. > >> > >> > > > >How would you explain this? > > > >I said, about building the 90-litre processor: > > > > > > > >>>>Building it took much longer, I'd never built such a thing before, > >>>> > >>>> > > > >Your reply: > > > > > > > >>I have. So far, I see nothing I've built wrong that needs to be > >>charged, just tweaked (referrence the vaccum pump again). > >> > >> > > > >You're experienced, you're an engineer ("ENGINEER"), but I'm not, > >what I know about it is just from being a list member. But I designed > >an original reactor that's now widely used, and you seem to have > >wasted at least five times as much money on a Crappleseed that you > >had to come to us to learn how to fix. > > > >What's with that? > > > >Also this, from your reply to Fred: > > > > > > > >>... But since part of my goal is to convert others and lend > >>creditabilty, this ENGINEER needs to build a professional looking > >>system, worthy of the 8 years everybody knows I spent in college for > >>engineering. > >> > >> > > > >So you bought a Crappleseed that didn't work properly. > > > >It all seems rather disconnected, isn't it? > > > >Also, I'm sorry to have to tell you that your remarks about OPEC are > >right out of line in a multinational community such as this one, > >which includes many people from OPEC countries, and your language is > >most objectionable. Please withdraw it and apologise. > > > >Keith Addison > >Journey to Forever > >KYOTO Pref., Japan > >http://journeytoforever.org/ > >Biofuel list owner > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'll just embed my replies below, as there are alot of little >short answers. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>On 5/17/06, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hello Ryan > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I'm building the processsor and running test batches > >>>>>simultaniously so I can shift to large scale as fast as possible. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>You said you started the wrong way round: > >>>> > >>>> > >>Absolutely true. But new guys don't see JtF first, they see > >>FuelMeister or somebody similar; who want to sell something to them. > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>Which is demonstrated by the fact that I have my processor just > >>>>>about build and haven't done a single small batch yet...I'm a rookie. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> Thought I had it build, according to "Crappleseed", as you put it, > >>ideas. I've made changes based on JtF and my experience thus far. > >>Mostly in the addition of a vacuum/compressor pump to fill and purge > >>the main reactor vessel. Their waste water pump sucks...not in the > >>good way. Will not, not, not EVERY prime itself. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>Well, that's what you said, we said it was the wrong way round: > >>>> > >>>>"Where do I start? -- Start with the process, NOT with the processor. > >>>>The processor comes later." > >>>>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start > >>>> > >>>>"When you're confident that you can get good results every time, even > >>>>using oil from different sources, then it's time to scale up the > >>>>process to provide your fuel needs. Now that you have a feel for the > >>>>process and know what to expect, you'll have a much better idea of > >>>>what sort of processor you want than if you'd started off building > >>>>the processor (as many do) rather than learning the process first." > >>>>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moving > >>>> > >>>> > >>All true, and should be made to be Google hit #1 whenever > >>"Biodiesel" is searched for, but its not, so new guys will continue > >>to start with a processor because search engine results start with a > >>processor. Want to change that? Get JtF to the top of the list. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>I can't reclaim my investment with small batches. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Your investment? I'm quite interested in that, just at the moment. > >>>>People are always asking about costs. > >>>> > >>>> > >>Just hardware I don't already have; only money I actually spend. > >>Water heater, inductor tank, plumbing, vacuum/compressor pump, > >>beakers, graduated cylinders. The chemical supplies would go into > >>the cost/gallon of biofuel that offsets the cost/gallon of the OPEC > >>fuel. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>What are you costing in your investment? The cost of the processor, > >>>>let's see, that was only two 60-litre batches, it took two days, or a > >>>>few hours over a couple of days. > >>>> > >>>>Building it took much longer, I'd never built such a thing before, > >>>> > >>>> > >>I have. So far, I see nothing I've built wrong that needs to be > >>charged, just tweaked (referrence the vaccum pump again). > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>and figuring it all out first took even longer. But I'd learned > >>>>really a lot from people here on the list and I got that for nothing, > >>>>so I don't know how to cost it. > >>>> > >>>> > >> True, and this is the ONLY reason my processor has come together > >>so quickly. I've scanned every processor construction idea and have > >>pulled ideas and insights from every one to build I processor I can > >>understand. And I think that's the most important part. There are > >>alot of you running systems I don't follow, so I'm not using your > >>ideas. I need to understand my processor so I can make it work, not > >>just copy somebody else. > >> > >> > >> > >>>The processor works very well > >>> > >>> > >>>>though > >>>>and now lots of people have built them, > >>>> > >>>> > >>Mine has yet to be seen, but because so many have come before me, I > >>have full confidence. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>and they also got it for > >>> > >>> > >>>>nothing. If you took an eco-economist's view (which we'll all have to > >>>>take in the end), economics that can tell a sword from a plowshare, > >>>>you'd have to add all that in too somehow to be realistic about the > >>>>costs. I think that means I must be rich by now because of the free > >>>>processor and so on, and I'm not the only one. But if you take a > >>>>money economist's view, the prevailing one, sad to say, which indeed > >>>>can't tell a sword from a plowshare, it means I'm as poor as a > >>>>churchmouse, and that's the truth of it. Obviously I'm not too good > >>>>at costings, and I end up completely confused about how a person > >>>>would go about getting their investment back. Well, no need to be so > >>>>complicated about it, but it's worth a thought. > >>>> > >>>> > >> Here's the bottomline, as I see it, for how I am recuperating my > >>costs. Say I spend $500 to build a processor. Once its running, > >>I'm paying only $1 a gallon to fuel my truck ($0.70 for supplies, > >>$.30 for road tax to my state). Meaning for every gallon I burn, > >>I'm preventing the loss of $2 I would have had to spent to burn that > >>gallon of fuel. To recup. my $500, I only need to burn 250 gallons > >>of my biodiesel in situations where I would have had to purchase > >>OPEC diesel. > >> > >> > >> > >>>>Do you cost your time? What do you include? That was about two months > >>>>ago you said you're a rookie. Do you include all the development time > >>>>in the meantime? Would that be just time spent making test batches, > >>>>finding and getting materials and so on? > >>>> > >>>>How about the learning curve, would you cost the time that takes? > >>>>Time spent here, for instance, or at the JtF website Biodiesel > >>>>section. If you do cost it, do you think we should cost it too, the > >>>>ones who provide it all in various ways, including many list members, > >>>>which could end up including you? Where do you draw the line? > >>>> > >>>> > >>No, because this isn't a business venture. I'm only reducing my > >>fuel costs, not producing a product to increase my income. If it > >>was for income, I would need to account for my time that could be > >>spent at another job producing income. As I said before, the only > >>thing I count as cost is money that has to flow out of my pocket to > >>build my processor. I perform only a cash flow analysis centered on > >>myself. I am increasing my Cash Flow(Out)(Misc) now to decrease my > >>Cash Flow(Out)(Fuel) later by an amount greater than my initial Cash > >>Flow(Out)(Misc). And Cash Flow (Out)(Fuel) remains at its decreased > >>level, saving me money for as long as WVO is still free. > >> > >> > >> > >>>>I'd appreciate your opinion, and any others too. > >>>> > >>>> > >>And I'll share my Excel Cost Analysis Spreadsheet with anybody >who wants it. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>>And it was only the first batch that I felt the (unnecessary) need > >>>>>to reprocess that I had problems with. The one following that just > >>>>>took a little extra washing (7 instead of 3-4) and the last one > >>>>>turned out absolutely perfectly. I put the sum of the second two > >>>>>batches in my truck yesterday morning; all 0.4 gallons (~1.5L)! But > >>>>>it was $1.18 I didn't have to spent at the pump! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>What will you do with the $1.18? > >>>> > >>>> > >>Be happy I didn't put it in my fuel tank! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>> This weekend; my first WVO test batches. Hooray! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Good luck. > >>>> > >>>>Best > >>>> > >>>>Keith > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>Doing WVO batches is my "different sources" next step toward; > >> > >> > >> > >>>"When you're confident that you can get good results every time, > >>>**even using oil from different >sources**, then it's time to scale > >>>up the process to provide your fuel needs." > >>> > >>> > >>Its a linear progression; > >> > >>1) Confidence in 1L clean oil test batches. > >> -You know the basic process. > >> > >>2) Confidence in 1L waste oil test batches. > >> -You can perform titration and adjust the process for WVO variables. > >> > >>3) Confidence in small WVO batches (10-20L). > >> -You have build your processor correctly. > >> > >>4) Confidence in medium WVO batches (30-50L). > >> -You can scale up correctly > >> > >>5) Confidence in full capacity WVO batches (100L). > >> -Tell OPEC to kiss your fuzzy butt, you don't need their > >>stinking diesel anymore. > >> > >> I'm starting step 2 this weekend. I'll let you all know how it > >>goes. If all goes well, I may be to step 5 by July. > >> > >> Ryan _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
