Isn't KCl what lethal injections are made of?? J
Jason& Katie wrote: > i did some reading at wikipedia, and KCl, being part of the final product > in splitting crude glycerine(at least with KOH and HCl), is also used as a > mineral fertilizer, and can be used to cut table salt (theyre about the same > as far as toxicity goes, and it increases potassium levels and total > electrolytes in the human body, not so bad i think) but it has many other > uses in the medical world as antidotes to some poisons, and for food > preparation(probably a preservative,yeech). is this an acceptible byproduct > or should i keep looking? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] more goofy questions > > > >>Jason & Katie, >> I'm not sure what you mean when you say "clean the glycerine for >>compost". >> Many people compost the glycerine cocktail w/o any treatment. I think >>this is best done when KOH is used as the caustic rather than NaOH. >> I do separate the glycerine because I produce quite a bit of BD >>these >>days. I'm concerned about pouring Kilo after Kilo of caustic, of which >>70%, >>by weight, is Potassium. Sure it's a valuable soil nutrient, but I'd like >>to >>control how much is added to my garden .... which has done just fine on >>pre-BD compost. I also am attempting to recover methanol and have uses for >>the other components of the mix. >> >> I used hydrochloric acid (sold in hardware stores as "muriatic acid") >>before I was able to locate phosphoric. >>I did a few small test batches and got good separation. >>The difference will be the type of mineral "salt" that will precipitate >>out. >>Ex: >>Hydrochloric Acid + Lye (NaOH) forms table salt and water >>HCl + NaOH ----> NaCL (table salt) + H2O >>The table salt is not especially valuable; throw it out? >> >> The salt falls to the bottom and you get FFAs forming a layer on top >>and >>the crude glycerine (+ most of the excess methanol) forming a bottom >>layer. >>The FFAs and the glycerine/methanol are composed of Cs, Hs, and Os. >>They will decompose into CO2 and H2O. They supply nothing in the way of >>soil >>nutrients, but I have found that >>they appear to accelerate decomposition within a compost pile ....... >>not >>only a safe way to dispose of the mix, but some benefit to be gotten. >> >>KOH (during processing) and H3PO4 (split) >>is preferred because the salt produced is Potassium Phosphate ..... >>valuable as fertilizer. >> >> The point is that different acids can be used to split the cocktail >>into FFAs and crude glycerine w. methanol. The >>difference is in the salt (and its value) that is produced. >> >> Vinegar is an organic acid, which tend to be weak acids. It would take >>a lot of vinegar to split the cocktail. >>Probably more expensive than hydrochloric and I don't see that the salt >>produced would have more value. >> >>***By value I don't mean financial, as in sell for profit. I >>dissolve some of the potassium phosphate produced by the split in water >>and >>add it to my compost piles. It has value as in ... can be put to good >>use. >> >> Sorry to get so wordy, but your "goofy question" is part of a >>subject >>that is of great interest to me. >> The splitting of the cocktail may not have the financial payoff that >>brewing BD does, but the feeling of putting to good use what others have >>called "waste products" is akin to the feeling I get when I fill the >>tank(s) w. BD I brewed at home. >> Best of luck to you, >> Tom >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jason& Katie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:13 AM >>Subject: [Biofuel] more goofy questions >> >> >> >>>what other, more available acids can be used in place of phosphoric to >>>clean >>>glycerine for compost? i have been reading for three hours, and i cant >>>find >>>any experiments or documentation. am i not looking in the right places? >>>has >>>anyone tried using vinegar? this is really bothering me. any ideas? >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>>messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006 >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
