Re: [Biofuel] Future car: What will you be driving?

Kirk McLoren Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:10:48 -0700

first one doesnt display and 2nd one is discussion of scrubbing and algal growth. No reference to the vunderalgae that is an oilcrop.

Kirk

Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You could also take a look at these:

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/01/carbon_seq/5a4.pdf
http://www.greenfuelonline.com/news/IECR.pdf

They're listed under "Resources" on the same Green Car Congress page.

Todd Swearingen

Kirk McLoren wrote:

> So where are these guys published? Such a cell line should be in the
> literature.
>
> Kirk
>
> */Appal Energy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>
> Southern Kaliforn-I-eh.
>
> By December's end, 2007. Plant is or has already been contracted upon
> and should be completed by then.
>
> Don't think it's quite yet proper to say what firm is financing
> it, at
> least not until they issue their first press release, which they may
> have already done for all I'm aware of.
>
> The 100,000 gallons is just an estimate projected upon the reasonably
> accepted value of 2,000 gpa from inoculated species in a
> horizontal acre.
>
> This plant will be growing vertically, permitting at least 50 x
> production capability.
>
> Will kinda' knock the socks off anything going. They'll just have
> to get
> the costs down to something affordable..., which will happen in
> short order.
>
> It's either that or biodiesel will be bottlenecked until hell freezes
> over with a an economically sustainable level of oilseed production
> (perhaps 5% at best of overall US demand) and consuming the vast
> majority of WVO supplies.
>
> It's the future or commercial biodiesel is plumb (horse droppings)
> out
> of luck.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
>
> Keith Addison wrote:
>
> >>And/or 100,000 gallons of oil per acre when growing algae.
> >>
> >>Todd Swearingen
> >>\
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Um, where exactly are these acres of algae each producing 100,000
> >gallons of oil? Anywhere here on Planet Earth in August 2006?
> >
> >:-)
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Kirk McLoren wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>1000 gallons methanol per acre with hemp if using pyrolytic
> distillation.
> >>>
> >>>Kirk
> >>>
> >>>*/Jason& Katie /* wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
> >>>
> >>> > Could we replace all our oil with bio-fuels? Well... maybe. But
> >>> it would
> >>> > be an extraordinary effort. A fifty-fifty mix of bio-diesel and
> >>> ethanol
> >>> > would require putting three times the productive farm land in
> >>> >Iowa toward
> >>> > nothing but the production of fuel just to match what we
> >>> currently import.
> >>> > Make it five Iowas to solve the whole problem. Trouble is, that
> >>> much farm
> >>> > land is not readily available. There's also >the little nit of
> >>> figuring
> >>> > out what we eat while every scrap of land is busy working for
> >>> our gas
> >>> > tanks.
> >>> > Naturally, if we combine bio-fuels with the two hoped for goals
> >>> in regular
> >>> > cars -- more efficient engines and lighter weight vehicles -- we
> >>> can
> >>> > shrink the requisite greenspace. Brazil, which generates
> >>> >ethanol from
> >>> > sugar cane, has been systematically raising the amount of
> >>> ethanol in their
> >>> > fuel supply, and Brazilian manufacturers have been adding small
> >>> flex-fuel
> >>> > vehicles that can run on anything from E0 to >E100. Zap is
> >>> bringing at
> >>> > least one of these vehicles to US consumers next year.
> >>>
> >>> im all for the efficiency argument, but COME ON PEOPLE! doesnt
> anyone
> >>> believe in using something OTHER than corn and soy? they are NOT
> >>> the best
> >>> feedstocks anyone could use for fuel! move to a better supply, not
> >>> a higher
> >>> yield. this is ridiculous! if the supply was a high density stock
> >>> the land
> >>> requirement would be porportionally lower.
> >>>
> >>> for diesel replacement assume we used castor in the USA:
> >>> -oil yield would be roughly 151 gallons per acre compared to 48
> >>> gallons of soy oil.
> >>> -THEREFORE one acre of castor would eliminate the need for more
> >>> than 3 acres of soy.
> >>> which means those other 2 acres of new empty field could be
> >>> used for food or- OH NO! TREES!
> >>>
> >>> for gasoline replacement assume we use sugarbeets (not very good,
> >>> but more
> >>> climate friendly) in the USA:
> >>> -ethanol yield would be 412 gallons per acre compared to 214
> gallons
> >>> of corn ethanol
> >>> -THEREFORE one acre of sugarbeets would eliminate the need for
> >>> 1.9 acres of corn.
> >>> you see where im going with this?
> >>>
> >>> by selective breeding of some of the more tropical varieties of
> >>> high density
> >>> stock, we can slowly push the growing regions further north,
> >>> increasing the
> >>> supply density, and lowering the acreage needed to supply the same
> >>> amount.
> >>> WE DONT NEED CORN OR SOY FOR FUEL! i might be raving like an
> >>> idiot, but
> >>> noone can seem to understand that corn and soy are not the only
> >>> crops in the
> >>> world.
> >>>
> >>> Jason
> >>> ICQ#: 154998177
> >>> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
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