Hello Philip >Dear Keith, > >Well you may think he talks a lot of bollocks
Actually I think I proved it. I also think you didn't read the message I reffed. Why don't you do so now? Here it is again: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE Lester Brown thinks he's talking about food. Do you think he's talking about food? - you know, stuff people eat with their mouths when they're hungry to keep them going. This is what he's talking about: > > http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/richard.robbins/legacy/hunger_readings.htm > > Readings on Hunger, Poverty, and Economic Development > > > > B. Food as a Commodity > > To understand why people go hungry you must stop thinking > > about food as something farmers grow for others to eat, and begin > > thinking about it as something companies produce for other people to > > buy. Food is a commodity. Yea verily. Or: > > http://www.jhsph.edu/clf/events_new/dodge_lectures/dodge_lecture.html > > JHU Center for a Livable Future - Dodge Lecture > > An Agronomist's View of Public Health > > March 27, 2000 > > > > Dennis R. Keeney, Ph.D. > > Emeritus Director, Aldo Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture > > Iowa State University > > > > Midwest grain-based agriculture produces not food but feed for > > animals (fat), fructose (sweeteners) and fuel (ethanol). It is thus > > not a healthy, sustainable agriculture. Rather than feeding the > > hungry, this production of grains causes environmental degradation, > > pollution of waterways and estuaries, abandoned farms and rural > > out-migration. Over time this hopefully will change to an agriculture > > based on food, not feed. Or or or. Okay? Not food. He's talking bollocks. >but if you check other sites on global deforestation then you'll >find that his stats are pretty accurate. Philip said: > > >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. Keith replied: > > Yes there is, and ... I'm not unaware of the situation with global forestation, nor was I arguing about it, and I don't know why you want to. >As we all know, truth is a question of presentation Huh? Best Keith >so to use his raw data to draw conclusions is not unreasonable. > >Best Regards, > >Philip > > > > >---------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:46:26 +0900 > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > Hello Philip > > > > >Jim, > > > > > >The info came from the World Resources Institute (www.wri.org) > > >There's a ton of useful stuff on their site. > > > > Yes there is, and a lot of less than useful stuff too. Recent post: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg68246.html > > Re: [Biofuel] DISTILLERY DEMAND FOR GRAIN TO FUEL CARS VASTLY UNDERSTATE > > > > WRI founder and chairman Lester Brown talks a load of bollocks, for > > "one of the world's most influential thinkers" and "the guru of the > > environmental movement". LOL! > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >Best Regards > > > > > >Philip > > >Hainan Bioenergy > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:43:40 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is > > >rising!C02 isrising!A scientific Rebutal > > > > > > > > Phillip wrote > > > > Snip At the same time, 85% of the world's forests (which are >natural carbon > > > > sinks) have been destroyed or degraded. > > > > > > > > Phillip, Where do you get this data? Does this number include > > >the replanted > > > > areas of forest and Higher plant life (co2 absorption) as a result of > > > > irrigation and pulp? > > > > > > > > Not in dispute but I would like to know how it is derived. > > > > > > > > Jim _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
