Hi Dawie >Keith has emphasized before that meaningful food production doesn't >require huge tracts of land. It is amazing what can be done in very >small spaces. > >Modern cities contain vast amounts of wasted land, but the resulting >pattern is one that attracts too much moving about of people and >stuff for non-food-production purposes. There's a vicious circle >with too much roadway and parking generating an insatiable need for >more roadway and parking. I'm proposing that urban areas become a >lot tighter, though fragmented into smaller pockets, somewhat like >the cities of medieval Europe, so that the greatest proportion of >non-food-production functions are best supported by a >pedestrian-based local economy. In practice, the typical "new-world" >city should be steered to develop into twenty-odd (depending on the >size of the city) "mini-cities" separated by farmland.
Or interpenetrated by farmland, in many shapes and forms, but sometimes just plain farmland. Japanese cities have patches of farmland throughout, a small field here and there, some of them not so small, with occasional clumps of fields, they're everywhere. Not just veggies, rice and soybeans and so on too. There are allotments as well. People don't notice them much but they produce a lot of food. There's still quite a lot of waste ground too, empty lots and all the usable bits and pieces of ground you start seeing around the place when you begin to take some notice. >A lot of that farmland is currently the >supposedly decorative gardens of sprawling suburbs. And/or allotments and so on, and quite a lot of suburban folks raise some vegetables. >The more I get into it, though, the more I realise how much food can >be produced even in the densely built city areas, There's room for it, once you start thinking that way you see it everywhere. >especially in the upper-storey courtyards that result almost >inevitably from the desire to use available space most effectively >while maintaining decent daylight and ventilation. This applies as >much to small livestock as to crops. > >I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would >just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations >within easy walking distance of city centres. It's amazing where people manage to keep poultry and pigs. Food for cities is not that big a problem eh? Mainly an attitude problem, and the attitude's changing. Best Keith >Dawie > >----- Original Message ---- >From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Sent: Thursday, 14 June, 2007 5:41:57 AM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! > >hi Keith, > >you said "Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future and > > has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for "the > > industry". There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and > > the healthy people who drink it." I agree, they are in it for the >money (which we do need) with less regard for the environmental >footprint, and lacking the passion to provide good food to the >people. However, could you elaborate on the size of scale you are >refering to in the above statement. I mean there are hundreds of >millions of people who live in cities that cant farm or produce for >themselves. Ultimately, in the end I believe the smaller and more >localised the farm is to its consumption destination, the better. It >reduces transport costs, packaging and ultimately energy demand. >Individual small farms to produce food for themselves and the >community is the best option if practiced responsibily with the >social and environmental issues in mind. Having said this what are >your thoughts for providing food to the cities. > >best > >Joshua > > > > > Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hello Andres > > > > >I am affraid the pasteurization process is necessary because to eat > > >untreated foods is DANGEROUS for humans. > > > > Not true. Please see my previous reply and check the references there. > > > > >The larger the production scale the > > >higher the risk. > > > > True. > > > > >The living parts of foods are oftenly poisonous for us > > >like bacteria. > > > > Not necessarily so. Look at your previous statement about the > > production scale. The inverse is equally true: the smaller the scale > > the lower the risk - in other words small-scale local production, > > such as on CSA farms. This can be and usually is safe and > > high-quality. Traditional agricultural systems all had and have good > > solutions to these problems. But modern large-scale production has no > > such answers. > > > > >Thanks to god there is still a lot of vegetables we can eat > > >in large volumes without processing and alive. > > > > And quite possibly covered with various pesticide residues and with > > only poor nutritional quality - again a problem that increases as the > > production scale increases, and decreases to zero as the scale > > decreases. > > > > >There are alternative process to pasteurization, but still expensive > > for the > > >industry to do it large scale. > > > > Large-scale animal and animal products production has no future and > > has a disgusting past without any merit. There is no place for "the > > industry". There is plenty of place for unpasteurised real milk and > > the healthy people who drink it. > > > > >Anyway those process kill all. > > > > Many people are saying that that is what industrial "food" processing > > is accomplishing. They seem to have a strong case for that argument. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:45 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! > > > > > > > > > >I agree. what ever happened to "natural food", soo many things these > > days > > > >are procesed, heat treated or altered from their natural state in > > some way > > > >or another. We are protected, inhibiting our own imunity from doing > > its > > > >job. I suspect that pasteurization could escilate the health problems > > by > > > >feeding humans "dead" food. One part of health is eating live food. I > > see > > > >this in the same boat as white bread, white flour, white sugar, white > > rice, > > > >etc. Foods need to be less procesed and offered in their natural > > states. > > > > > > > > Almonds also contain health promoting mono and polyunsaturated fats, > > that > > > > when heated to a hot enough temperature, degrade and turn rancid. Im > > sure > > > > that there are people out there that are also concerned about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Forwarding > > > >> > > > >> As of Sept 1, 2007, all almonds are to be pasteurized! > > > >> Please take a moment to contact US Secretary of Agriculture Mike > > Johanns > > > >> and ask him to use his influence to reverse this ruling. > > > >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> Phone: 202-720-3631 > > > >> Fax: 202-720-2166 > > > >> > > > >> Contact the Almond Board and let them know your thoughts, too. > > > >> ><http://www.almondboard.com/utilities/FORMContactUs.cfm>http://www.alm >ondboard.com/utilities/FORMContactUs.cfm > > > >> (209) 549-8262 > > > >> <snip> _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
