Are we talking about the hydrocarbon content on a honda before or
after the catalytic converter? There is a big difference. The cat does a
great job cleaning up the exhaust by re-burning this fuel after it has gone
through engine combustion. This does nothing towards working to push the car
down the road. This is a waste of energy!
Again study propane, Propane turns from a liquid to a gasious state
at 143F degrees Below zero. When it is in a pressurized tank the tank
pressure is 172PSI when ambient air temperature is 100F degrees.
Gasoline on the other hand does not completely vaporized unless it
is heated to 300F to 400F degrees. Where is the disconnect here for you
Kirk? Shell Oil was able to prove this technology back in 1973. Have you
read my paper or any of the others at wwwByronWine.com or do you just
believe whatever party line (lie) your fed? Do your own research and come
back with some rebuttals with substance please.
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Kirk McLoren
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:26 AM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proven to
theworldby Shell Oil Company in 1973
As you said - study propane. Doesnt get more vaporized than that. Running up
to 35 mph and cutting the engine off and coasting to 10 and restarting the
engine doesnt impress me either as NO ONE commutes to work that way. Just
what do you think the unburned hydrocarbon content of for example a honda
engine is?
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/14/1911225
Eco-Marathon Team Hits 2,843 mpg
But - it has little relevance to everyday life.
Carnot had a little bit to say about the reality of fantastic claims. Only
so much energy in a gallon - even in a fuel cell which trumps your
combustion engine.
Kirk
Mike Pelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Modern engines combust quite well"?, than why the unburned hydrocarbons
out the tailpipe and the need for catalytic converters? And was Shell Oil
only blowing a whole lot of smoke back in 1973 when they were able to
stretch 376 MPGs out of that 1959 Opel? Sorry Kirk but your going to have to
do a better job than that to dispel this one.
I know we have been getting fed a whole lot of bunk about this by the oil
and auto companies since back 70 years ago when Charles Pogue first made
this advancement famous but these are different times we are living in.
Lets quit the BS'ing and take all measures we have available to address our
Global Climate Change problem. Either attempt to re-enact this experiment
yourself or shut up already and quit doing the bidding for the oil
companies. It's real get over it. Vaporized gasoline mixes much more
completely with air than sprayed liquid gasoline. Heating gasoline
sufficiently turns it to a vapor. If you don't believe this than study
propane carburation. Same thing just a few hundred degrees difference in
properties.
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Kirk McLoren
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 7:12 AM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proven to theworld
by Shell Oil Company in 1973
The level of unburned hydrocarbons in the exhaust tells you beyond a shadow
of a doubt whether more perfect combustion can help. Period- the end. No
amount of claims and mouse milk can alter this fact - which should be
intuitively obvious. Modern engines combust quite well.
Kirk
John Mullan wrote:
How does one vaporize all the different components in today's gasoline?
Don't all those additives and stuff complicate the situation?
John
Mike Pelly wrote:
> We did tests on Vaporized Gasoline carburation on a datsun/nissan 510
> and the gas milage results were not all that impressive. We were not
> able to do any kind of test on a track or somewhere where we could
> drive flat and straight on a carefully measured amount of gas. In our
> estimate on our most careful test at the time (1992), we ended up
> getting about 35mpg on a car that normally got about 28.
> When doing this test we had (at times) everything dialed in and were
> able to maintain the proper temperatures and the "Exhaust smelled
> exactly like the exhaust from a Propane Powered Vehicle" (this car did
> not have any cataletic converter on it either.
> Other times while doing this same test, we did not have our
> temperatures correct and the car was belching copious amounts of black
> exhaust (unburned
> gasoline) and was running like crap.
> In writing my original paper back in 1992 I recommended this
> technology would work best in a toyota prius type 'hybrid-electric'
> car (this was before they even were building the prius) or a
> stationary gas powered generator. The prius type drive train would
> work the best because it is easy to maintain an engine RPM range like
> 2000-2500RPMs somewhere making it easyest to regulate the exhaust heat
> and fuel pressure/volume and not have the problems we faced with a
> conventional engine where the RPMs can continually jump from say
> 500RMP at idle to 4000 for acceleration and back to 1000 for braking
> or
shifting gears, continually.
> My paper with photos and schematics is written under 'Nom de Plume'
> of, Frieda Mind and can be found at www.ByronWine.com site:
>
>> http://www.ByronWine.com/files/1992%20vapor.pdf the paper includes
>> all the
>>
> information one would ever need to design and build a vaporized
> gasoline system for a prius type hybrid engine drivetrain.
> The affirmation for anyone who still doubts this technology, should
> come from that 1959 Opel that got 376 MPGs back in 1973 and reported
> in the Febuary 20, 2008 'Seattle PI' newspaper found at this link;
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html The tests on
> this 59 Opel were sponsored by Shell Oil. Granted the car was gutted
> of many parts and was only going 30 miles per hour on a track But it
> did
get 376mpg!
> not 75, 100, or 200mpg. It got 376mpgs! This is 7 times the gas milege
> of a standard Prius, our current state of the art in drive train
configurations.
> My hope is that home inventors will "Very Carefully!!!" experiment
> with this technology and build their own versions, even if only on a
> stationary generator and share their findings. This will help pull
> this technology out of the locked file cases the car and oil companies
> have held it in for too long now and out into the spot lights so we
> can shame the car and oil companies into utilizing this technology
Finally!
> We all need to take some concrete steps towards addressing Global
> Climate Changes. This advancement would be similar to what thousands
> of biodiesel homebrewers have been able to do over the past 10 years
> in making biodiesel a product consumers are now very aware of and
> demanding to have available to them. Nuff said, Sincerely, Mike
>
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