On March 30, 2011 5:05 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"You do not need to denature unless you sell the ethanol. This has nothing
to do with the permit process."
For anyone interested in knowing the facts about the regs and permit
process for distilling fuel alcohol in the United States go to
http://www.ttb.gov/industrial/alcoholfuel_regs_laws.shtml
This site is maintained by the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau, a
division of the U.S. Dept of Treasury. Here one can access the regulations
relating to production of fuel alcohol, get help with the permit process and
even apply for a permit online.
Ex: Under Laws 26 U.S.C. 5181, Distilled Spirits for Fuel Use we find:
TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle E--Alcohol, Tobacco, and Certain Other Excise Taxes
CHAPTER 51--DISTILLED SPIRITS, WINES, AND BEER
Subchapter B--Qualification Requirements for Distilled Spirits Plants
Sec. 5181. Distilled spirits for fuel use
{snip}
(2) Rendering unfit for use
For protection of the revenue and under such regulations as the
Secretary may prescribe, distilled spirits produced under this
section shall, before withdrawal from the bonded premises of a
distilled spirits plant, be rendered unfit for beverage use by the
addition of substances which will not impair the quality of the
spirits for fuel use.
Ex. If we go to "Regulations"
27 CFR Part 19, Subpart Y, Distilled Spirits for Fuel Use
ยง 19.907 "Meaning of terms."
We find the definition of Fuel alcohol: "Distilled spirits which have been
rendered unfit for beverage use at an alcohol fuel plant as provided in this
subpart."
I'll be the first (?) to admit that reading through the regs relating
to distilling fuel grade alcohol is tedious and time-consuming, that is
where the actual regs are to be found.
Tom
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You do not need to denature unless you sell the ethanol. This has nothing to
do with the permit process.
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On Mar 30, 2011, at 13:16, Dave Hajoglou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United
>> States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons
of
>> unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home
brewer
>> is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A
>> solution to water in the tank is to add "dry gas" (methanol).
>> My questions are:
>> -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol
>> and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L
Flex
>> Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated.
>> -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol,
>> gasoline, and methanol?
>>
> I'd skip the "recommended method" and go with a drop of gas to your
> 100 gal of ethanol. So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your
> friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should
> be ok. (should). I have no ideas about the methanol mix.
>
> -hojo
>
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