Sorry, I'm just pretty sick of 30+ years of folks coming up with every single reason on earth to avoid PV solar like the plague,
and I think, after a lot of years of careful study, , that it's all bullshit. All of it. Here's your solar foundry/breeder, http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Other/solar-stuff/16662355_zWC5F2#1256330469_zWL85tR-XL-LB It was built back in the late 80s, decommissioned recently. was never 'cost effective' whatever the hell that means. But it did work. http://cpm01.smugmug.com/Other/solar-stuff/16662355_zWC5F2#1256336745_m9CKmgV-XL-LB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Mefford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 4:46:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Power Breakthrough. Yes, you're correct. Much better to use that power to run furnaces to make beer and coke cans. That's a better use of the power. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:08:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Power Breakthrough. I thought Chip was being sarcastic, not that he was actually proposing that people wait, but that many stupid people will perceive it as a reason to wait. On the other hand until the day comes that silicon foundries are using solar energy to do the job of making cells, and indeed panels, the environmental influence of solar energy is actually nothing to brag about. Take a look at the amount of dirty energy it takes to make your nice clean green solar panels. I have a small czochralski furnace here capable of growing only about 20kg silicon crystals, half of which will be wasted in the wafering process. It alone uses about 45kw for about 12 hrs to grow one crystal and that is not even the very beginning of the story. Not even close. Many of the EROEI claims for solar PV assume purified silicon as a starting point. Some even assume starting from silicon wafers and tell you the break even point is just a few years. This is a big deception. One day I'd like to see a foundry running on solar energy. That is the first need. Joe On 03/05/2011 11:53 AM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: > I just love the people who don't think they need to do anything to prevent > global warming or pollution or whatever, because technolgy will come to the > rescue... then refuse to use the technology that could actually help > alleviate the issue... "I don't need to worry about the emissions from > all the electrical loads in my house because technology will find a way to > keep the pollution from that from being a problem"... uh... there already IS > this technology that can make electricity from nothing else than the sun > that already falls on your roof -- oh, and it also has no moving parts and > will last about 30 or 40 years. What more technology are you freaking > waiting for. You want your cake and to eat it too... but even that's not > good enough... you want a robot to chew it for you, and then to not get fat > from eating cake all day. > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Chip Mefford<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> Brilliant! >> >> yet still another reason to not deploy PV solar! >> >> Seems like every time PV solar gets legs, an announcement >> of a breakthrough technology (was in NanoSolar last time?) >> comes along explaining how PV solar is now 'Obsolete' and >> this emerging technology will make solar power ubiquitous >> and too cheap to meter. >> >> Great, where can I buy it? >> >> Oh, I can't buy it? >> >> But I'd be stupid to buy anything else right? >> >> So I should wait, right? >> >> Exactly. >> >> Well done. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "bmolloy"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 6:21:54 PM >> Subject: [Biofuel] Solar Power Breakthrough. >> >> >> >> >> >> Solar Power Breakthrough Could Render Photovoltaic Cells Obsolete >> >> >> >> Link: >> >> http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/solar-power-breakthrough-could-render.ht >> ml (via shareaholic.com) >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110502/7edcd967/attachment.html >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Biofuel mailing list >> Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel >> >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 >> messages): >> http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110503/1d757ad4/attachment.html > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
