Hello Keith, I wonder how you can answer all these discussion contributions. Where are you now staying with your landrover? Are you still traveling or are you in Osaka? I think I saw the name Osaka at one of your replies.
"Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hello Reinhard > > Thanks for the reply. > > >Hello Keith, > > > >We ran the lister type diesel engine directly with Jatropha oil, > >which was just sedimented. The only adjustment of the engine was a > >second fuel filter. > > Well, thankyou, that's what I thought. There's a Biofuel list member > in Australia who runs an old Lister in straight chicken fat. But > there seem to be different kinds of Listers. I wonder if the Lister > sold in the US, for instance, is the same as the type made in India > and Sri Lanka, and probably in China too. Is it a generic name as > well as a brand? Like Petromax - you know the Petromax lanterns? Nice > things, burn biodiesel or ethanol just as happily, and you can put a > stove on top. They're also made in India, Singapore, Taiwan, China, > but not quite the same, and not always the same quality as the > original. In the case of the Lister though, the Third World type > might be better (tougher). The "Lister type engine" is a heavy stationary diesel engine of different brands, like Field Marshall or Mercury or Anil. They are of the development stage of 1926 (when the Indians (?) copied the Lister diesel engine) and did not change since then. You can see a photo of it at the following address: http://www.jatropha.org/india/rcac.htm The Listers which are sold now, are DI engines, where modification to run SVO is more complicated. > > >A UN-project took this over and they were disseminating the Lister > >type diesel engines with plant oil. But right now they don't mention > >any more the aspect of runningf the engine with Jatropha fuel. > > I noticed that. And it's quite an expensive project now. And less > adaptible, more top-down? > > >see: http://www.ptfm.net > > Well, it is very expensive. The basic idea is not bad: to have a energy centre in the village, where you can make flower, grind shea butter, charge batteries, maske electricity for lighting and welding, water pumping, etc. But the first responsable of the project promoted the use of Jatropha oil, but he did not succeed in disseminating Jatropha plantation and the extraction of the Jatropha oil. > >We also had a study done by a German diesel engine producer. He > >concluded that the Jatropha oil can be used as fuel without > >problems. He also used the Jatropha oil as lubricant and said it is > >ok. > > > >Our idea was, to use the oil first as lubricant, and then burn it as > >fuel in the engine. > > This was in a Lister? I think Lister or not, generators are more > forgiving of SVO (or WVO) use than a car engine would be. The test was done in one of these stationary Lister type engines, not "Lister". The engine was running for 300 hours . It was stated, "that the Fieldmarshal FMII is suited to be lubricated with plant oil and run on the same oil as fuel". > >Here in Germany modern direct injection diesel engines are converted > >to run on SVO. > > > >There is also a modification kit available for precombustion chamber > >engines, which you can install by yourself. In a workshop in Denmark > >even an musician was able to do it, so it should not be too > >difficult: > > > >They change the injectotor to a pintle injector and change the > >incandescent plug (?) to one which glows much longer, if not almost > >permanently. Then the fuel pipe > >from the reservoir is replaced by a larger one, and a second fuel > >filter is added. This filter is heated with en electric heat band. > >Also a heat exchanger is installed, which gives the heat of the > >cooling water to the oil. The are also some switches and relais to > >regulate it. > > > >The whole systen costs about 800 Euro/US$, that depends on the car. > > > >http://www.elsbett.com > > Have you seen our SVO page? Reffed below - we mention Elsbett there, > and other SVO systems. I think the Elsbett and Biocar systems from > Germany might be the only good way to run a modern DI on SVO. But I > think WVO would still need pre-treatment - they don't cover WVO in > their warranties, do they? My view of it is that if you're going to > be sure of not messing up your DI and since it needs considerable > pre-treatment anyway, you might just as well turn the WVO into > biodiesel and be safe and sure. > > But again, the ACREVO study mentioned below really deserves some > follow up - adding 9% of 95% ethanol to SVO brought combustion > characteristics (and emissions reductions) that a DI could probably > live with quite happily. DIs could then use the same modification kit > as for IDIs rather than having to be converted. I am mainly concerned with plant oil as fuel in developing countries on the basis of village technology, and in this case all blends of oil with alcohol or biodiesel make the system more complicated (oil extraction is a simple technology compared with alcohol destillation). Do you know the Schur Diesel? Father & son Schur proposed a mixture of 80 % of SVO and 20 % of ethanol (Schur says it is 18 % ethanol and 2% special, secret additive). It seems they had too many difficulties with diesel engines in the long run. They stopped it now, and only some enthusiasts are still trying it. > >At the 7. of July there is a meeting of SVO drivers/users in > >Germany. I will go there. > > > >Perhaps I know a bit more about the subject afterwards. > > We'd appreciate a report-back, if you have the time. I will try my best Best regards Reinhard Henning > Best wishes > > Keith > > >Best regards > > > >Reinhard Henning -- bagani GbR, Reinhard Henning, Rothkreuz 11, D-88138 Weissensberg, Germany Tel: ++49 8389 984129, Fax: 984128, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] internet: www.bagani.de ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
