The book I am almost done with "The Long Descent" by John Michael Greer 
mentioned that some studies showed that solar panels and wind mills took more 
energy to make than they produced over their life. Maybe that was true and 
isn't anymore? I know advancements are being made, hopefully a breakthrough 
will bring the cost of production way down.

And poor siting of a wind turbine can be disastrous for birds (Altamont Pass), 
intensive studies of a site need to be done before building, and proper 
lighting is important.  But that's my point, people SAY that wind mills kill 
birds and that they ruin their view, and aren't willing to have one in their 
"back yard". John Rancich has been trying to build one in Enfield and has come 
up against all kinds of opposition. 

We can't just say no, we need to be saying yes to alternatives. And 
aggressively!
Eric




----- Original Message ----
> From: Rich Bernstein <[email protected]>
> To: Sustainable Tompkins County listserv 
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 3:36:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [SustainableTompkins] becoming YIMBYs
> 
> The statement that "wind mills and solar panels take more energy to
> create than they produce over their life" is simply not true.  Also,
> bird deaths from wind turbines are on par with or lower than other
> built structures such as buildings, communications towers, power
> lines, etc.
> 
> --
> Rich


      
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