Thanks, Domenico, You have the patience to clearly define your position...I wish I could learn that.
Anyway, my particular statements along this line would probably be a bit unacceptable, but would generally follow your gracious response to the stupidity that runs rampant in the SVG community. Regards, Francis --- In [email protected], "domenico_strazzullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Andreas, > > I accept your mediation, you are so gentle. Also other friends off > list. I still maintain though that the release of an incomplete > implementation is against the DVA and CA industries deontology. You > cite open source projects, when Open Office 1.0 was released it > could open and save .doc format flawlessly, for example. Can you > imagine the drama if it would mess up just, say, the display of a > document? > > In response to Jonathan's, and others', arguments I am obliged to > remind that the question I raised is not how easy or difficult it is > to implement. It is not about the quality of the team's work and > dedication. The question is about the timing in the decision to make > the product available to the greater public. It's a sign of lack of > patience that will pay off negatively. > > If the 70% figure of rendering success has been realistically set by > yourself then I don't dispute it, but I randomly visited about 15 of > the svg links in my bookmarks and got 0% positive results. > > From Jonathan's answer I understand DOM 2 is complete, but then I > also deduce that the SVG DOM subset is not complete: getNumberOfChars > () method doesn't work. My text formatter, which is not artwork, > works beautifully, all the window functionalities, displacement etc. > Beautiful. But there's no text in it! Of course I could count the > number of chars in the dummy line myself and skip getNumberOfChars > (), but I won't do it. > > A big difference between ASV 1 and 2 and FFsvg is that ASV simply > allowed the kick off, I don't think there were any works prior to > that, or were there? The scenario is totally opposite for FF, it > claims to be able to render SVG but then it doesn't quite make it. > Plus, the official tada launch is pre spoiled by the same token. > Also, remember that Adobe would not release ASV6 until the 1.2 draft > would become a spec. Michel Hirtzler recently said a very wise > thing, referring to SVG WG: "Why do they worry about 1.2? Why not > get things together for 1.1 first?". Of course in this type of > society the trend to not listen to older, wiser people, is ever > galloping. Always the same story over and over again for the web. > This type of thing makes the web suck, not rock. It's hysterical. > > What Martyn Eggleton says was true prior to 1.5, and this type of > discussion didn't need to exist then. > > Andre Winter and Jean-David Benamou reported advertisement. > > ------------------------------------ > > Jonathan, > > In my letter I can read: > "artists and programmers" > "artists and technicians" > Can you? > > You say you (the Mozilla team) poled the community. I've been away > from the list for a few months, as other developers have. Wouldn't > have it been more appropriate to make some individual contact, like > you did when you suggested auditing, and seek personal advice > like "Hi xyz, the implementation is in advanced state, but this and > that is still missing, do you think it would be blah blah?". The > majority replied "yes". Did you take into consideration eventually > what the minority said? Did you think it was appropriate to sort by > number instead of by experience level? I'm not sure that you quite > got the measure of how much artists, programmers and developers are > concerned. The work that they have ALREADY done is affected, valid > or not valid. This is not a personal attack against you or the > Mozilla team, I simply know that unfortunately we often take > decisions more in respect to schedules than anything else... > > > I am, of course, very sorry that you find that the SVG support is > not up > > to your needs. > > You sound like an AT&T public relation agent. I can do without this > type of remark. I raised an issue that I see as a problem, and a > solution that I think would be beneficial for the community, > including Mozilla. > > > Those sound like rather nasty problems. Bug reports with testcases > would > > be helpful. > > Are you serious??? I'm a human, can you please talk in a way other > than binary logic? I mean... SMIL is missing in the implementation > and you ask for bug report? What would be the point? You call them > nasty problems, that is what they are, not bugs. > > I don't see how switching svg off by default like prior to 1.5, > would affect FF navigation. Did you raise the issue at all with the > Mozilla Foundation before stating that it's "very unlikely that the > Mozilla Foundation would take sucha drastic step"? > > But anyway, let's forget, who cares... I already said to Andreas I > was accepting his mediation. Let's have it the Mozilla way. Let's > have performances where instruments are untuned, galleries with > gelatin filters on their spots, pottery made of undercooked clay, > plays without actors, svg bar charts without bars, books with blank > pages, let's hurry up, the Mozilla way. > > Domenico > > > --- In [email protected], "Andreas Neumann" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > also, if you use a lot of SMIL in your examples, you have to be > aware that Mozilla SVG does > > not yet support SMIL. > > > > Andreas > > > > --- In [email protected], T Rowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 12/1/05 3:07 PM, Richard Pearman wrote: > > > > Firefox doesn't correctly display any of the SVG's on my site, > including > > > > ones I'm pretty sure have the Kosha namespace declarations > etc. Also, as > > > > far as I can tell, the server uses the correct mime type for > SVGZ. Can > > > > anyone please tell me what the problem is? > > > > > > Your server isn't sending the Content-Encoding header for svgz > files: > > > > > > http://jwatt.org/svg/authoring/#server-configuration > > > > > > -tor > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
