To everyone on this list: I did get a private reply from Chris Wilson of the IEBlog a few days ago and have debated whether to relay the news. Here goes:
Chris stated that they are not planning to include ASV with IE7 for reasons that: a) it is an ActiveX control (whether he means security issues or the Eolas thing) and b) Adobe isn't actively maintaining that control. On the flip side, he also said that they expect to natively support SVG at some point, but can't give any further details (citing that the roadmap is still being worked out). They are aware how much demand is there for it, though. Finally, he said that he expects to address this eventually in the IEBlog at some point. I think this would be a good idea. Quick question to those who have tried IE7 Betas: Do they bundle the Flash plugin? Maybe the best bet now is to get Adobe to include the ASV as part of the Flash plugin? Maybe John F can speak to this? The silence is deafening... There is comfort in the fact that ALL other major browsers are actively pursuing SVG support (Opera, Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey, Safari, Konqueror). Even despite the market share, this does put pressure on the IE team to keep parity. It will happen eventually. As SVG support matures in the other browsers and becomes a little less sketchy, I think we'll start to see web apps that "work better" or "look nicer" or have increased functionality in browsers other than IE. The nice thing is that there is now more than one free alternative to IE, the challenge is overcoming the 'Blue E = Internet' mindset of the masses. Does anyone really think that IE's dominance in TODAY's web is not due to its automatic deployment on all Windows PCs? IE has been obsolete for more than 2 years and they still have significant catch-up to do for standards support. Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those "wow" applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). Of course this is dependent upon getting alternative browser support of SVG into a more even/reliable state (in my mind this equates to Firefox supporting declarative animation, can others give their opinion on Konqueror and Safari levels of support?). Whoof - once again a small email has turned into a long diatribe, my apologies! Regards, Jeff --- In [email protected], Jean-David Benamou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote > (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) > > I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE > graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about > this "vote" thing : > > * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting > MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... > * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war > between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would > bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. > * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, > then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This > would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. > > Jean-David > > Jeff Schiller wrote: > > >Francis, > > > >Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) > > > >Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog > >feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in > >particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received > >a reply, I assume he's swamped. > > > >However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at > >1-hour long). Go read my summary here: > >http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ > >there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. > > > >Regards, > >Jeff > > > >--- In [email protected], "Francis Hemsher" > ><Francis.Hemsher@> wrote: > > > > > >>Hello All, > >> > >>I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. > >> > >>I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any > >>number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather > >>than extend this further. > >> > >>I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present > >>the "SVG Developers Statement", based on the comments from the > >>voting list. > >> > >>This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see > >>the future if the right decision is made. > >> > >>We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity > >>for all to provide their input. > >> > >>Francis > >> > >>--- In [email protected], "Doug Schepers" <doug@> > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Hi, Francis- > >>> > >>>Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect > >>> > >>> > >>it will > >> > >> > >>>have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. > >>> > >>>Francis Hemsher wrote: > >>>| > >>>| P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native > >>>| SVG Object. > >>> > >>>There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope > >>> > >>> > >>they > >> > >> > >>>include SVG ASAP. > >>> > >>>Regards- > >>>Doug > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- > >To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-or- > >visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" > >---- > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. 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