Jon,
My apologies for my mistake, VML can be chosen as an advanced setting in
the save as webpage process. It is no longer the default that's all.
That said what follows is some research I did after reading your very
informative post.
Your post held a few suprises for me, thank you for the information!
I was not aware that VML was not a final spec.
After a little research I came across the quote below by Peter Wu
concerning Microsft's intentions at the time in regards to VML and SVG.
Peter was a co-author of the Vector Markup Language (VML) proposal to
the W3C.
"The W3C has formed a working group for SVG (Scalable Vector
Graphics) where several member organizations, including Microsoft, will
work together on developing a next generation standard for web graphics.
VML and other graphics standard proposals serve as references for the
discussions and work towards a standard. "
I did find it interesting that Visio was one of the submitting members
for VML prior to its acquisition by Microsoft. looks like they were
playing both sides of the SVG/VML fence.
"Autodesk Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co., Macromedia Inc., Microsoft Corp.
and Visio Corp. today announced that the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
has acknowledged their joint submission of a Vector Markup Language
(VML) " - May 28, 1998 (http://xml.coverpages.org/vectorVML.html
<http://xml.coverpages.org/vectorVML.html> )
In Sept 1999 micorosoft acquired Visio and Visio's next release Visio
2000 exported to VML out of the box as the default format.
" Visio 2000 also exports drawings in VML "
- visio 2000 release promo <http://tinyurl.com/2wca3p>
In September 2001 the W3C published SVG and Not VML.
Daniel
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Hi everyone,
> Here is what I know of the history regarding MS supporting SVG in
Visio.
>
> When the SVG WG was formed in 1998, Visio was a separate company and a
> charter member of the working group. Sometime in the next few years,
MS
> acquired Visio, but the appearances were that the Visio team was left
> intact for the most part and were allowed independence to deliver good
> products to their customers. According to statements at SVG Open in
2003 by
> MS/Visio people (and I was listening to them carefully because this
was
> such a curiosity), Visio had a tower of babel problem because there
were
> many different graphics formats, each requiring their own exporters
and
> importer. In 2003, SVG seemed to be gaining industry traction. One of
the
> Visio execs got up in front of SVG Open and told the audience that the
> majority of the companies on their customer advisory board had SVG
projects
> underway. Additionally, there was lots of other industry indication
that
> SVG was a happening thing in the industry. Nearly all of the software
> products with whom Visio needed to work with supported SVG and SVG had
the
> features that Visio needed. Therefore, Visio invested considerable
effort
> to use SVG as its unifying format for exchanging graphics data with
other
> graphics software packages.
>
> Presumably, VML would not have been a good match for their
requirements
> because few products export or import VML as an interchange format,
> possibly because there is no official spec for VML, just the draft
spec
> that was sent to the W3C back in 1998
(http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-VML.html).
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> David,
> I have been watching the dojo project for some time now and think it
> is wonderful. Preferring YUI for my js though I have been looking for
> an XSLT or extremely small javascript solution to providing
> cross-browser vector graphic compatibility.
>
> I have been watching a few people working on svg/vml combo projects as
> well.
> lorien.henrywilkins, kyle.scholz
> have a google project for this purpose that is a tiny js file .
> http://code.google.com/p/svg2vml/
> also
> * Giorgio Massaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> * Angelo Di Iorio - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> * Fabio Vitali - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> of the Universita Di Bologna
> have a very functional svg-->vml-->gif and back again converter which
> is progressing nicely.
> http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/Progetti/VectorConverter
>
> *** I like the converters XSL implementation, because it allows me to
> build complicated graphics in Inkscape and simply run the xslt after a
> browser check.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> on MS and vml:
> I do find it a bit odd that they do not support their own vector
> format from a vector graphics application like Visio 2007.
> That said,
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "meikelneu" meikelneu@ wrote:
> >
> > --- David "ddailey" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, IE7 continues VML support.
> > > I hope they don't discontinue it
> > > since for some (simple) things I like the option
> > > of providing VML as an alternative to SVG
> > > if the plugin doesn't exist.
> >
> > that's exactly what the dojo guys (as in dojotoolkit.org) are doing
> > with dojo.gfx, see here
> >
> >
>
http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2007/03/27/ajaxworld-and-sxsw-talks-on-dojog\
fx/
> >
> > they said ie7 broke some vml stuff compared to ie6 but still have
> > confidence in using it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
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