Jon,
Apparently I did not dig deep enough, VML is not the default, but it is
available by selecting save as a web page and then going to advanced and
changing the output format. That said your very informative post
inspired me to do a little research. Common knowledge stuff, but still
interesting.
Your post held a few suprises for me, thank you for the information!
I was not aware that VML was not a final spec.
After a little research I came across the quote below by Peter Wu
concerning Microsft's intentions at the time in regards to VML and SVG.
Peter is a co-author of the Vector Markup Language (VML) proposal to the
W3C.
"The W3C has formed a working group for SVG (Scalable Vector
Graphics) where several member organizations, including Microsoft, will
work together on developing a next generation standard for web graphics.
VML and other graphics standard proposals serve as references for the
discussions and work towards a standard. "
I did find it interesting that Visio was one of the submitting members
for VML prior to its acquisition by Microsoft. looks like they were
playing both sides of the SVG/VML fence.
"Autodesk Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co., Macromedia Inc., Microsoft Corp.
and Visio Corp. today announced that the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
has acknowledged their joint submission of a Vector Markup Language
(VML) " - May 28, 1998
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Ferraiolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Here is what I know of the history regarding MS supporting SVG in
Visio.
>
> When the SVG WG was formed in 1998, Visio was a separate company and a
> charter member of the working group. Sometime in the next few years,
MS
> acquired Visio, but the appearances were that the Visio team was left
> intact for the most part and were allowed independence to deliver good
> products to their customers. According to statements at SVG Open in
2003 by
> MS/Visio people (and I was listening to them carefully because this
was
> such a curiosity), Visio had a tower of babel problem because there
were
> many different graphics formats, each requiring their own exporters
and
> importer. In 2003, SVG seemed to be gaining industry traction. One of
the
> Visio execs got up in front of SVG Open and told the audience that the
> majority of the companies on their customer advisory board had SVG
projects
> underway. Additionally, there was lots of other industry indication
that
> SVG was a happening thing in the industry. Nearly all of the software
> products with whom Visio needed to work with supported SVG and SVG had
the
> features that Visio needed. Therefore, Visio invested considerable
effort
> to use SVG as its unifying format for exchanging graphics data with
other
> graphics software packages.
>
> Presumably, VML would not have been a good match for their
requirements
> because few products export or import VML as an interchange format,
> possibly because there is no official spec for VML, just the draft
spec
> that was sent to the W3C back in 1998
(http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-VML.html).
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> David,
> I have been watching the dojo project for some time now and think it
> is wonderful. Preferring YUI for my js though I have been looking for
> an XSLT or extremely small javascript solution to providing
> cross-browser vector graphic compatibility.
>
> I have been watching a few people working on svg/vml combo projects as
> well.
> lorien.henrywilkins, kyle.scholz
> have a google project for this purpose that is a tiny js file .
> http://code.google.com/p/svg2vml/
> also
> * Giorgio Massaro - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> * Angelo Di Iorio - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> * Fabio Vitali - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> of the Universita Di Bologna
> have a very functional svg-->vml-->gif and back again converter which
> is progressing nicely.
> http://vitali.web.cs.unibo.it/Progetti/VectorConverter
>
> *** I like the converters XSL implementation, because it allows me to
> build complicated graphics in Inkscape and simply run the xslt after a
> browser check.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> on MS and vml:
> I do find it a bit odd that they do not support their own vector
> format from a vector graphics application like Visio 2007.
> That said,
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "meikelneu" meikelneu@ wrote:
> >
> > --- David "ddailey" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, IE7 continues VML support.
> > > I hope they don't discontinue it
> > > since for some (simple) things I like the option
> > > of providing VML as an alternative to SVG
> > > if the plugin doesn't exist.
> >
> > that's exactly what the dojo guys (as in dojotoolkit.org) are doing
> > with dojo.gfx, see here
> >
> >
>
http://www.sitepen.com/blog/2007/03/27/ajaxworld-and-sxsw-talks-on-dojog\
fx/
> >
> > they said ie7 broke some vml stuff compared to ie6 but still have
> > confidence in using it.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
>
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