Hallo Hans! ;o) >On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:10:57 +0200 >Hans J Nuecke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Chris, > first of all: I appreciate your well formulated answers and statements; > and in general I do agree to all of them. Including your latest reply on > Ralph's statement. Ein mann who sits on both sides of the fence! ( I am joking Hans, joking. ok? ) > And I really do not want to start a debate about Flash or HTML or > scribd or Apple. Neither do I. > I see that kind of "discussion" far too often in other blogs/forums; > waste of time. Indeed. > This email list is mainly focused on technical issues, what is good and > why I like it. > Here an attempt to clarify my personal position and opinion: Shoot! > I believe that every religion (and Apple for me is kind of religion) can > be dangerous, because real arguments don't count any more. > And therefore it is better to avoid discussions in that field (usually > ends up in bashing on Apple or Microsoft). Quite. It's not all bad. Both organisations have their good points. Both have done their fair share in pushing back boundaries, albeit in the pursuit of market share and profit! Their raison d'etre if you will - both are major corporations after all. > I think it never helps the think black and white (like forget FLASH, do > HTML5 now). Agreed. Both have their positive and negative points. Both are different protocols. They are not the same. But there is now some crossover. > I hate political tactics and abuse of power (see this as an example why: > http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/index.php/20110520/news/9066/apple->begins-worlds-flimsiest-defense-in-app-store-trademark-dispute/) I know. The world of corporate litigation beggars belief sometimes. All this over the use of a three letter abbreviation. > I believe in the benefits of free and open competition; not forcing any > solutions against other technologies; let the market decide. We are not all made of the same metal my friend. Many are too easily swayed by advertising ( and possibly the odd backhander to two ). > I love choice: I'd like to pick and use the best solution (for me, for > certain applications and needs); pretty often it is FLASH, but HTNL5 is > promising. For me not as substitution but extension/addition to FLASH. Agreed. As I said, they are not the same, and thus not substitutes (IMHO). > Nobody knows where we'll be in 5 years from now. So openness and > flexibility is needed; and that is what makes fun and drives all of us > at the end. Couldn't agree more. But, many get sucked in, whether they like it or not. I remember all the fun back in the 80's with the likes of Clive Sinclair ( Sinclair Research ), Chris Currie ( Acorn ), Dr Johnson, Rainer and Tilbury ( Tangerine ). > So the main points Ralph made and I agree with are: > 1. Why spend efforts to substitute Flash when it still is an excellent > solution, and move over to HTML5 now (where it is not a full substitute; > yet?) There are a few Flash substitutes out there. Cooking away nicely. Players too - aka Gnash, Lightspark, Sliverlight, Moonlight. In some instances, as I'm sure you'll agree, Flash is most definitely and quite seriously flawed, and desperately needs sorting out. Hopefully, some of these alternatives will bridge-gap. Talking about flaws, I've always wondered if that's done deliberately. How many times has a great idea, or a great product, been scuppered just 'cos of a last minute botch. It's everywhere, from software to hardware. For example, from my system building days.. innovative motherboard design, great layout.. then, blow me.. there's that one flamin' socket or jumper right where it oughn't be. Yes, it still happens. > 2. Apples politics; especially the one to block FLASH. > > I tempt to be tolerant, and I do accept other opinions and systems, but > I dislike any kind of "force" ;-) All I'll comment is... Apple needs to pop it's head out of the corporate sand, just long enough to get a lungful of fresh air. They even find it beneficial to their health! ;o) > Thanks and regards > Hans > As they say in the country I currently reside it .. Lilek ukoll ( and the same to you ) Biss dan Hans! mfg, Chris. > On Sat, 21 May 2011 17:12:01 +0200 > Hans J Nuecke<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I couldn't agree more;-) > > > Regards > > > Hans > You would?? > > Go on. I'll buy it ( not! ). Tell me in your own words, exactly what it > is, that you are agreeing with Hans! > > Regards, > > > Chris. > > > > Am 21.05.2011 18:07, schrieb Chris: > > Hi Raph, > > > >> On Sat, 21 May 2011 16:36:00 +0300 > >> Raph<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Chris, > >> > >> All the message could be said that way: why trying to replace flash by > >> html when html is worse. > > I wasn't aware 'they' ( w3c? ) were trying to replace Flash? Merely > > extending html itself. With progress (?) always come glitches, be it > > hardware or software. But I'm sure those glitches will eventually be > > ironed out. > > > >> Ok to have degraded version for "non willing to be compatible" devices > >> but imposing it for all user is counter productive. > > There will always be those who don't, or point blank refuse to keep up > > with or otherwise meet current trends. Either because they can't really > > be bothered, or that their vision of the future is better! For those who > > follow trends 'just because' it's a keeping up with the Jones' sort of > > oneupmanship, the words sheep an lemmings spring to mind. ;o) > > > >> Also why converting a pdf version to a more verbose and less optimize > >> markup language, that hangs computers and lacks fidelity, when all the > >> flash conversions purpose is to be lighter faster and easier to > >> integrate in custom interfaces... > > That sounds a bit melodramatic if I may say so.. 'Beware, information > > overload. The end is Nigh!'. pdf is only one way of presenting one's > > information to the world. It is not the be all and end all. > > > >> Bringing apple into this conversation is logical because they are the > >> origin of these attempts to replace flash where it's still a lot better. > > Apple are as guilty of punishing standards as anyone else. Besides, for > > them, whatever is done is by necessity, usually integral to a forceful > > marketing strategy aimed at pushing the next 'must have' device. I am > > pleased to report that I don't have an 'i'-anything in my possession, > > nor in my sights. Nor will I probably be swayed by anything they produce. > > Just maybe it is I who is the visoneer? :o) > > > > All that said, I'm still a little confused as to what point of view you are > > actually trying to push forward. Simple terms for a simple man, maybe? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chris. > > > >> Le 03/04/2011 09:30, Chris a écrit : > >>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:05:34 +0300 > >>>> Raphaël Benzazon<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I hope the dev is moving ahead nicely. > >>> I think it is proceeding well. > >>> > >>>> I have to admit that the first and last scribd publication that I visited > >>>> was making my powerful desktop PC hang. > >>> That could be caused by anything - user error? ;o) But why bring scribd > >>> into this? > >>> > >>>> It seems that the html is not the solution when it comes to reproduce or > >>>> convert publication for internet. > >>> Sweeping statement. Not necessarily true either. Markup changes > >>> constantly. > >>> > >>>> It was so slow compared the the previous flash version, that was > >>>> painful to accept that scribd made such a bad technological choice. > >>> Again, not sure what that statement has to do with SWFTools. > >>> > >>>> Maybe they listen too much the the pseudo prohet Jobs. > >>> .. co-founder and CEO of consumer electronics company Apple Inc? ;o) > >>> What has he to do with all this? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Chris ( retiring - not surprisedly - somewhat confused ) > >>> > >>> > >>>> Greetings > >>>> > >>>> Raphaël > >>>> > >>>> Le 09/05/2010 05:41, Matthias Kramm a écrit : > >>>>> On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 12:44:57PM +0200, filip > >>>>> sound<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Matthias, i can't believe all this... > >>>>>> are you serious? you want the browser to render complex > >>>>>> graphics/shapes/gradients and texts (pdf) all in html? > >>>>> Well, what Scribd currently does is text and bitmaps. > >>>>> Vector shapes (gradients etc.) are in my queue, problem is that > >>>>> cross-browser > >>>>> compatibilty of SVG, Canvas etc. is much worse than that of custom > >>>>> fonts. > >>>>> > >>>>>> the performance will > >>>>>> not be anything near the performance you get when running it on a > >>>>>> plugin > >>>>>> that has full access to the cpu. > >>>>> Why? The browser has full access to the CPU, too, after all. > >>>>> Also, Javascript engines have gotten ridiculously fast. > >>>>> > >>>>> Matthias > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >> > > > > > -- > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > *Hans J. Nuecke* / Gorch-Fock-Str. 6 . 81827 Muenchen . Germany / > *VservU GmbH* > Home: +49 (89) 45344858 office: > +49 (89) 43906 707 > mobile: +49 (173) 5392957 Skype: > hnuecke > private: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> business: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > commercial: www.vservu.com <http://vservu.com> technical: > www.megazine3.de <http://megazine3.de> > Munich HRB 181251 Geschäftsführer: Hans J. Nücke USt-Id: > DE266694113 > ___________________________________________________________________ > -- Chris <[email protected]>
