Hallo Hans! ;o)
On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:10:57 +0200
Hans J Nuecke<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Chris,
first of all: I appreciate your well formulated answers and statements;
and in general I do agree to all of them. Including your latest reply on
Ralph's statement.
Ein mann who sits on both sides of the fence! ( I am joking Hans, joking.
ok? )
And I really do not want to start a debate about Flash or HTML or
scribd or Apple.
Neither do I.
I see that kind of "discussion" far too often in other blogs/forums;
waste of time.
Indeed.
This email list is mainly focused on technical issues, what is good and
why I like it.
Here an attempt to clarify my personal position and opinion:
Shoot!
I believe that every religion (and Apple for me is kind of religion) can
be dangerous, because real arguments don't count any more.
And therefore it is better to avoid discussions in that field (usually
ends up in bashing on Apple or Microsoft).
Quite. It's not all bad. Both organisations have their good points. Both
have done their fair share in pushing back boundaries, albeit in the
pursuit of market share and profit! Their raison d'etre if you will -
both are major corporations after all.
I think it never helps the think black and white (like forget FLASH, do
HTML5 now).
Agreed. Both have their positive and negative points. Both are different
protocols. They are not the same. But there is now some crossover.
I hate political tactics and abuse of power (see this as an example why:
http://unplugged.rcrwireless.com/index.php/20110520/news/9066/apple->begins-worlds-flimsiest-defense-in-app-store-trademark-dispute/)
I know. The world of corporate litigation beggars belief sometimes. All
this over the use of a three letter abbreviation.
I believe in the benefits of free and open competition; not forcing any
solutions against other technologies; let the market decide.
We are not all made of the same metal my friend. Many are too easily
swayed by advertising ( and possibly the odd backhander to two ).
I love choice: I'd like to pick and use the best solution (for me, for
certain applications and needs); pretty often it is FLASH, but HTNL5 is
promising. For me not as substitution but extension/addition to FLASH.
Agreed. As I said, they are not the same, and thus not substitutes (IMHO).
Nobody knows where we'll be in 5 years from now. So openness and
flexibility is needed; and that is what makes fun and drives all of us
at the end.
Couldn't agree more. But, many get sucked in, whether they like it or not.
I remember all the fun back in the 80's with the likes of Clive Sinclair
( Sinclair Research ), Chris Currie ( Acorn ), Dr Johnson, Rainer and
Tilbury ( Tangerine ).
So the main points Ralph made and I agree with are:
1. Why spend efforts to substitute Flash when it still is an excellent
solution, and move over to HTML5 now (where it is not a full substitute;
yet?)
There are a few Flash substitutes out there. Cooking away nicely. Players
too - aka Gnash, Lightspark, Sliverlight, Moonlight. In some instances, as
I'm sure you'll agree, Flash is most definitely and quite seriously flawed,
and desperately needs sorting out. Hopefully, some of these alternatives
will bridge-gap.
Talking about flaws, I've always wondered if that's done deliberately. How
many times has a great idea, or a great product, been scuppered just 'cos
of a last minute botch. It's everywhere, from software to hardware. For
example, from my system building days.. innovative motherboard design,
great layout.. then, blow me.. there's that one flamin' socket or jumper
right where it oughn't be. Yes, it still happens.
2. Apples politics; especially the one to block FLASH.
I tempt to be tolerant, and I do accept other opinions and systems, but
I dislike any kind of "force" ;-)
All I'll comment is... Apple needs to pop it's head out of the corporate
sand, just long enough to get a lungful of fresh air. They even find it
beneficial to their health! ;o)
Thanks and regards
Hans
As they say in the country I currently reside it .. Lilek ukoll ( and the
same to you )
Biss dan Hans!
mfg,
Chris.
On Sat, 21 May 2011 17:12:01 +0200
Hans J Nuecke<[email protected]> wrote:
I couldn't agree more;-)
Regards
Hans
You would??
Go on. I'll buy it ( not! ). Tell me in your own words, exactly what it
is, that you are agreeing with Hans!
Regards,
Chris.
Am 21.05.2011 18:07, schrieb Chris:
Hi Raph,
On Sat, 21 May 2011 16:36:00 +0300
Raph<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Chris,
All the message could be said that way: why trying to replace flash by
html when html is worse.
I wasn't aware 'they' ( w3c? ) were trying to replace Flash? Merely
extending html itself. With progress (?) always come glitches, be it
hardware or software. But I'm sure those glitches will eventually be
ironed out.
Ok to have degraded version for "non willing to be compatible" devices
but imposing it for all user is counter productive.
There will always be those who don't, or point blank refuse to keep up
with or otherwise meet current trends. Either because they can't really
be bothered, or that their vision of the future is better! For those who
follow trends 'just because' it's a keeping up with the Jones' sort of
oneupmanship, the words sheep an lemmings spring to mind. ;o)
Also why converting a pdf version to a more verbose and less optimize
markup language, that hangs computers and lacks fidelity, when all the
flash conversions purpose is to be lighter faster and easier to
integrate in custom interfaces...
That sounds a bit melodramatic if I may say so.. 'Beware, information
overload. The end is Nigh!'. pdf is only one way of presenting one's
information to the world. It is not the be all and end all.
Bringing apple into this conversation is logical because they are the
origin of these attempts to replace flash where it's still a lot better.
Apple are as guilty of punishing standards as anyone else. Besides, for them,
whatever is done is by necessity, usually integral to a forceful
marketing strategy aimed at pushing the next 'must have' device. I am
pleased to report that I don't have an 'i'-anything in my possession,
nor in my sights. Nor will I probably be swayed by anything they produce.
Just maybe it is I who is the visoneer? :o)
All that said, I'm still a little confused as to what point of view you are
actually trying to push forward. Simple terms for a simple man, maybe?
Regards,
Chris.
Le 03/04/2011 09:30, Chris a écrit :
On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:05:34 +0300
Raphaël Benzazon<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I hope the dev is moving ahead nicely.
I think it is proceeding well.
I have to admit that the first and last scribd publication that I visited
was making my powerful desktop PC hang.
That could be caused by anything - user error? ;o) But why bring scribd
into this?
It seems that the html is not the solution when it comes to reproduce or
convert publication for internet.
Sweeping statement. Not necessarily true either. Markup changes constantly.
It was so slow compared the the previous flash version, that was
painful to accept that scribd made such a bad technological choice.
Again, not sure what that statement has to do with SWFTools.
Maybe they listen too much the the pseudo prohet Jobs.
.. co-founder and CEO of consumer electronics company Apple Inc? ;o)
What has he to do with all this?
Regards,
Chris ( retiring - not surprisedly - somewhat confused )
Greetings
Raphaël
Le 09/05/2010 05:41, Matthias Kramm a écrit :
On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 12:44:57PM +0200, filip sound<[email protected]>
wrote:
Matthias, i can't believe all this...
are you serious? you want the browser to render complex
graphics/shapes/gradients and texts (pdf) all in html?
Well, what Scribd currently does is text and bitmaps.
Vector shapes (gradients etc.) are in my queue, problem is that cross-browser
compatibilty of SVG, Canvas etc. is much worse than that of custom
fonts.
the performance will
not be anything near the performance you get when running it on a plugin
that has full access to the cpu.
Why? The browser has full access to the CPU, too, after all.
Also, Javascript engines have gotten ridiculously fast.
Matthias
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